Could a lack of empathy be caused by a difference in how a person understands the world rather than them lacking the ability to feel it?
Human life, for example, is not always assigned the same value in all situations by all nations. It is considered acceptable to take a human life in circumstances such as war. Furthermore, assumed sane and empathetic humans are willing and expected to take lives of other humans in these situations. Often the emotions felt by soldiers are quite the opposite of empathy when they take lives; They might feel anger or a sense of revenge or duty.
This, and many other examples of subjective empathy that i won't list, shows that emotional value may be assigned to our surroundings based upon our rational understanding and profiling of the world, rather than by instinct.
So is it not reasonable to consider that maybe sociopaths and narcissists etc. simply have a perception of their world that does not have a use for empathy?
I have a sense that sociopaths have not rationally assigned much/any value to anything external to their own minds. They do value things, but those things are their own achievements, victories, dominations and esentially their egos. When trying to "help" a sociopath.. would it make sense to try and distribute this value amongst the people and things in their life? I say this on the basis that rational debate and education can shift a "sane" persons emotional value to different things, so perhaps it could be applied to sociopaths in the same way?
Whatever happened to just having sympathy?
Why do you think sociopaths have a low value for others? If you understand their reasoning... there is potential to change their perception given the proper stimuli...?
Here's another idea. Why not just introvert yourselves into sociopaths for a duration of time by comiting to a antisocial lifestyle for a duration of time? Isolate yourself from others and just play MMORPGs or something all day for a year. Your new enviornment will alter how you value things. Because you are exposed to people less... you may expect more from them when you are around. Suddenly perception will start to change. Your view will become more objective. Your experiences will be addictive yet never quite as powerful as IRL.
There really is no truth that applies to all. Personalities vary. But experience creates a sense of empathy does it not? If you yourself have lived a certain way... are you not more sympathetic than others who have not experienced such?
Just don't allow antisocial people enough alone time to be truely antisocial and you will alter their value structure. Recent can come strongly from isolation or a feeling of alone. Honestly I think it's sex depervation. LOL. No matter how much this world sucks... if I'm getting laid and she hasn't gone crazy yet... life is good. :-)
I don't know if you intended the irony in your reply to Alik or not (although I suspect not), but in everything you wrote you were making his point about the ego-trip that you are on, and which many of the other self-identified psychopaths or anti-social types on this forum seem to be on too. Really no regard for anything but your extremely narrow point of view. When I read your posts I see you totally wrapped up in your own little world, and it is a vain and foolish little world in my opinion:
"if I'm getting laid and she hasn't gone crazy yet... life is good. :-)"
You put the smiley, but you really mean it. How much more shallow can you get?
...I'm sorry to live up to steriotypical behavior?
Do you go around yelling at people with depression issues for feeling sad? No, but it's perfectly fine to point out the obvious flaw in my personality type in a hateful manner now isn't it? Thats not logic. Thats.. well really it's a lot of assumption mixed with an emotional reaction. By all means I could just be sharpening my social skills and playing games. Isn't that what my personality type does? Don't we play games?!
You must forgive me if I don't really consider your opinion. I do not know you nor have any reason to respect you. So when you just pop out of no where throwing insults and imploding on me... well it's not impressive. Is that really the correct use of Irony to you? To do what is expected?!
I just believe if you lived an antisocial lifestyle it would give you personal knowledge and you could use that knowledge to help you alter an antisocial persons... values on people. Also if you force the ASPD to be more social that could also increase the value of peers and perception (value) of people in general.
Irony would be for an ASPD to look right in your eyes and say "I love you" and mean it. Cause we all know an ASPD person is just going to tell you to **** off if you attempt hostility with them. They don't respond well to negative enforcement. Hence the problems they have with authority figures. It's not rocket science... is it? Is this hard for the rest of you to grasp?
Do you understand how irony really works? Irony is when you say or do the opposite of what you are. Irony would be me submitting to another person. Thats outside my norm. Thats the opposite of my personality type. Thats irony.
However, ironic, on the other hand, can be used to associate a considence. It is ironic that you tried to insult me yet it is me who truely demeaned you in my attempt to enlighten you. My response is ironic. But is it really? Is that really a coincedense? Thats what irony is... coincidense. Not that crap Allanis Morsat (or whatever) sang about. None of that crap was ironic or irony. Just ah bunch bad luck.
Toby, stop looking for hidden messages. You sound SZ. Also blunt honesty is often misinterputed.. by stu... simpleminded people to be considered hostility?
That definition certainly doesn't completely encompass 'irony'.
[/quote]You sound SZ.[/quote]
You overuse that so much it should become your catch-phrase. Not everyone who disagrees with you is SZ. :D
Your version of "blunt honesty" isn't what the majority of people would call it.
When someone asks you if they look fat in a pair of jeans, you don't say: "Yes, You look really, really, really, fat!"
You would say: "You'd look better when you lose weight", or something to that effect.
Well that wouldn't be very blunt now would it? Why do you always try to find an "us VS him" theme? You're trying to rally a bandwagon... Pack mentality is a fallacy. For as much as you claim superiority you don't really apply it well. Also you percieve my individuality... rather often.. to mean superiority and while I concur that my decisions are optimal for myself... in no way am I trying to... convert you? An would I want you all to become fearless?! That means you'd actually stand up for yourselves and fight me. Forcing me to respect and look up to others as I have to acknowledge their equality. That sounds great!! (irony)
Also if a girl asks you if she looks fat... you always say yes in a playful manner to indicate you are joking. If that fails just taunt her. Smile and tell her you're glad she doesn't realize how sexy she really is. You like her that way. That she need not worry about her insecurities around you.
But you don't have my personality. So attempting to pull my tactics would probably fail for Toby.
Because i'm the boogieman that destroys everything in his path. Rapes women, pillages small villages and drinks blood from the skulls of my fallen enemies. Oh, and kidnaps and tortures children. And you DARE to wonder why i'm so arrogant? Your whole perception of the world is filled with fairytales and idle fantasies of love and happiness. Where the champions of justice protect you from the evil terrorists. Seriously, you disgust me, yes you, the "average person". It's like watching a child stick his hand into a bee hive and then cry when he gets stung, utter idiocracy is where we are headed.
This isn't directed at anyone specific, i just felt like ranting. Oh and to whoever flaunted his superiority by saying self-identified psychopaths is asinine. I didn't come here to declare my psychopathy nor did i flaunt it. I never even mention it untill asked, it's a personality disorder not a "I'm cooler on the internets than you" medal. I try to explain my point of view and thoughts, sorry if they show blatant disregard for humans and feelings, it's my view as they mean nothing to me.
im does THINKING you has wiseness in words. i think too that maybe it does has something to do with that. its like when God did CREATED good and evil in all sometimes you doesnt sees the good but only bad because you does has some REASON that does blinds you from see the GOOD.
yours comparisation to WAR is very good i thinks because that DOES be true and also PROBABLY sociopath can does be in SAME SITUATION. that DOES proves that what i DOES thinking that sociopaths doesnt really EXISTS they just doesnt KNOWS they does FEELS things.