Ok, because I am bored at the moment I’ll try to translate what I think Lega is saying, which will be difficult. Then I’ll add my response.
Lega’s first point seems to be, “We can’t be 100% sure of anything… therefore god exists”. Yes, I think that’s true to a certain extent. We can’t know things with complete certainty. And yes, I do think a leap of faith is necessary to get anything done in the world. Having said that, it is one thing to leap to a belief that can be reliably counted on, based on repeated history (if you let go of an apple you are holding in your hand, it will fall instead of float away for instance) and quite another to leap to a belief based almost entirely on hearsay, exaggeration, and possible hallucinogenic experiences. The former is a small little hop onto something reasonably solid. The latter is a huge leap across a bottomless chasm. We actually don’t need to know anything with certainty in order live.
Secondly, Lega’s position on subjectivity leads inexorably to solipsism, or the belief that my mind is the only one that matters because for all practical purposes, it is the only one that exists. Subjectivity is a favorite of the religious of all persuasions. The argument goes something like, “Since I can’t be certain anyone or anything exists outside of my awareness, I can’t really say that anything science explains has any validity… therefore god exists.” Which is all well and good. Until you get out of bed in the morning. All of a sudden, every single thing you do and will ever do will depend on you believing that the world around you continues to exist with or without your awareness of it. That goes double for the people who inhabit it. Your boss just won’t go away, bill collectors won’t go away, rent and/or mortgage is still due, family drama continues to go on, etc ad nauseum. It’s funny how things just keep persisting as if they existed when you aren’t aware of them. Solipsists are left in an untenable position practically speaking, and their actions prove this.
So we can see why it is easy for Lega to disparage science, all the while using instruments (computers, the internet and so on) that science (thru technology) made possible. This is always the part I find ironic about religious people who poo-poo on science when it seems to counter their cherished fairy tales while using the internet to buy male prostitutes or going to a physician when they are really sick or getting on an airplane or driving a car or watching TV… Faith in god made none of the things we moderns take for granted possible. Reason, thru science, thru technology did. Tell me Lega brother, did you use your faith in god to make your comments appear on this forum? Or fix your car? Or pay your bills?
You see Lega, the truth is you don’t actually believe science is on the same intellectual footing as religious faith because your actions demonstrate that you know better. You know what can and can’t be relied on in your real, day to day life, and it isn’t god. To demonstrate the factuality of what I am saying, all I need do is ask you to let go of the apple you talked about. I can guarantee you, with almost complete certainty, that the apple will fall instead of rise. I can tell you why by referring you to some physics texts. Very practical stuff. You in turn ask me to pray… but you cannot guarantee me that any god of any kind will answer in any way that is intelligible or reliable. You can only tell me to tell myself to believe you no matter what the evidence of my senses tell me, which is all religious faith amounts to.
The whole idea of god is nonsense to people who arent stupid idiots. God created the world in 7 DAYS?! **** off. no he did not
I approve of this thread. It's full of all sorts of awesome.
Come on man, I'm not mad! I said I was bored, hence the speechifying. I'm just talking to be talking at this point. I know you aren't going to change your mind so I'm not taking this conversation seriously.
That is the beauty of the religious meme. It is like a virus and part of the way it infects the mind of its host is by making it impervious to reason. It is really quite ingenious actually. I would start a church or a religion for fun and profit because it would be all too easy to gather a large following, but meh, I don’t feel like it.
Your story is boring and uncreative. But... I laughed at the part where you both fly to Heaven. In my head you both sprouted wings and flew your fairy butts straight into the sun and got bug zapped!
I know this is leaving topic but it's human nature to evolve and change.
We aren't arguing, so it's fine.
I just realized something. You are a child masquerading as an adult, aren’t you Wolfster? Your emotional immaturity stunts your capacity for reason, judging by your comments here. In that way, you are in fact no different from the very people you need to feel superior to. I would feel sorry for you if I could.
Are you a psychopath Daniel?
I think someone can be amoral without lacking a conscience. That is pretty much where I am at.
Defining yourself and what your morals are to be is something everyone must do. Thats not being a psychopath.
Turning your back on a friend in need because you don't want to deal with their emotional crap and "you don't care" is being a psychopath. Having sexual thoughts about a girl while she is bleeding her feelings on you.. is being a psychopath.
Having an emotional arguement with a woman and to just stop yelling and burst into laughter... because she makes funny faces when she is angry... is emotional disconnection. It happens all the time. People start crying about retarded crap and.. it's funny.
Besides the idea of us having anything valid in common is just offensive to me. It's insulting. Hurts my pride. Ego deflated. I nearly killed myself. Please... stop.
That really made me smile, woflie, thanks! Also, you are way too over the top recently, why is that? It's fun to see these silly responses but... meh.
You, I must say, are very talented using Paint. :D
im is THINKING you dont ever READ bible?
if you DOES read bible im is THINKING you turn inligtened im DOES knows you are WEAK you FAITH is waving.
just because you did THINKS you KNOWS dosent make you KNOW eveything.
you DOES says i dont KNOWS when you SAY you knows you dont PROVES you knows.