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Re: Deceptive Sexual History

I got electroencephalograph right? Yay!

"aloud"... LOL :)

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Whitewolf - I get it... you're dead inside.

I know you are logical, we are too.
Emotions sway and change, and so does logic.
Logic changes probably more rapidly than emotions, I understand you want to use this because It's your only fall-back, but we've logic too.

Oh and I can honestly say: You don't understand us.
You can't understand something you've never experienced!
I'm not proffesing to be able understand you and better than you understand us. Sure, you can describe our emotions, but you can't understand us.

60 Million like you? 540 Billion like me.

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Toby
I know you are logical, we are too.
Emotions sway and change, and so does logic.
Logic changes probably more rapidly than emotions, I understand you want to use this because It's your only fall-back, but we've logic too.

Oh dear. Logic doesn't change; can't change. If it did, it wouldn't be logical. I did explain this, didn't I? If a person uses logic, no matter who they are, no matter how old they are, it's the same logic. It's true that a five year old has more trouble using actual logic, being prone to logical errors and so on, but when they are logical, it's the same logic everyone else uses. Any difference in conclusion between one employer-of-logic and another is because of a difference in premises. Take, for example, the following two premises:
All apples are red
All red things are tasty
This gives the conclusion 'All apples are tasty'.

If you change the second premise to 'All red things are round', the conclusion becomes 'All apples are round'. It's the same logic. ('All a is b' 'all b is c' 'all a is c'.) It hasn't changed.

Toby
60 Million like you? 540 Billion like me.

...That's a bit depressing....
(Sorry, Toby!)

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Dragontongue

...That's a bit depressing....
(Sorry, Toby!)


Thaaaat's it. Come to the dark side! We have COOKIES!

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Come to the dark side! We have COOKIES!


Come to the Light side! We have cup-cakes! :D

I love bumper stickers... :P

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Oh dear. Logic doesn't change; can't change.


Imagine two people arguing over what is tastier:
They'll both use their "logic" to defend their arguments and they'll both come to a different conclusion.

All apples are red
All red things are tasty
This gives the conclusion 'All apples are tasty'


Nice use of deductive reasoning. :)

But that's the very thing, you're talking abou Deductive Reasoning, what about Inductive?
Inducive Reasoning (as logic) does change, it changes with experience...

All observed crows are black.
Therefore:
All crows are black.

That is the main use of "logic". There you go.
All observed crows are black, does that mean all crows are black? That's inductive logic.
Let's say you came to the conclusion "all crows are black", you'd use your "Logic" to try and state that all crows are black...
Unless you could falsify the possiblity of... grey crows then the conclusion up there would be false.

That's an example, not a great one, of how Logic can change. Maybe not deductive, but Inductive (certainly the logic you'd apply when in an argument).

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Toby
Oh dear. Logic doesn't change; can't change.




Imagine two people arguing over what is tastier:

They'll both use their "logic" to defend their arguments and they'll both come to a different conclusion.



All apples are red

All red things are tasty

This gives the conclusion 'All apples are tasty'




Nice use of deductive reasoning. :)



But that's the very thing, you're talking abou Deductive Reasoning, what about Inductive?

Inducive Reasoning (as logic) does change, it changes with experience...



All observed crows are black.

Therefore:

All crows are black.



That is the main use of "logic". There you go.

All observed crows are black, does that mean all crows are black? That's inductive logic.

Let's say you came to the conclusion "all crows are black", you'd use your "Logic" to try and state that all crows are black...

Unless you could falsify the possiblity of... grey crows then the conclusion up there would be false.



That's an example, not a great one, of how Logic can change. Maybe not deductive, but Inductive (certainly the logic you'd apply when in an argument).


A formal argument should not employ inductive reasoning.

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Ah. But an argument can have inductive logic.
An argument only uses deductive when arguing something that's fact, such as the sky is blue.

Inductive would be used in an argument over opinion or perceived fact.

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In which case, it's not an argument, it's an opinion masquerading as an argument. ^.^ Which is fine in and of itself. Inductive arguments in mathematics are not the same as inductive arguments in discourse, just fyi. Most inductive constructs in discourse are regarded as logical fallacies in the art of rhetoric.

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But an argument is just a set of one (or more) meaningful declarative sentences. A declarative sentence can be anything and doesn't have to be based on fact, and can be opinion or a feeling towards something. That's where inductive logic/reasoning would be used, and it commonly is.

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Toby
But an argument is just a set of one (or more) meaningful declarative sentences. A declarative sentence can be anything and doesn't have to be based on fact, and can be opinion or a feeling towards something. That's where inductive logic/reasoning would be used, and it commonly is.


Yes, yes, but at the point at which you are using opinion, you cease to argue. You are using persuasive speech, but not arguing. I mean argue in a classical sense. So, yes, I'm saying that certain things cannot be argued.

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In a classical sense yes, but not in the linguistic sense, the actual definition of "argument" in which inductive logic is employed.

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Toby
Whitewolf - I get it... you're dead inside.

I know you are logical, we are too.
Emotions sway and change, and so does logic.
Logic changes probably more rapidly than emotions, I understand you want to use this because It's your only fall-back, but we've logic too.

Oh and I can honestly say: You don't understand us.
You can't understand something you've never experienced!
I'm not proffesing to be able understand you and better than you understand us. Sure, you can describe our emotions, but you can't understand us.

60 Million like you? 540 Billion like me.


Masters of munipulation but there's just no way we comprehend the emotions we are munipulating...

Spare me your half wit thoughts. Obviously you have never knowingly met a psychopath.

Website: Whitewolf.maxforum.org

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Whitwolf - Nearly all the self-proclaimed Psychopaths on here don't even believe you're a psychopath.

Masters of munipulation but there's just no way we comprehend the emotions we are munipulating...


Now that is true.

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Toby
Whitwolf - Nearly all the self-proclaimed Psychopaths on here don't even believe you're a psychopath.

Masters of munipulation but there's just no way we comprehend the emotions we are munipulating...


Now that is true.


I'm not a psychopath. Hmm. So if I have happy thoughts will I become an emotional loon like you.

Website: Whitewolf.maxforum.org

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Nah, you'll never get to experience that.

I think there guess was that you were a Narccisist or a "poser".

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Toby
Nah, you'll never get to experience that.

I think there guess was that you were a Narccisist or a "poser".


I think wolfie has had some sort of emotional trauma in his childhood that triggered him to shut out emotions. He seems too angry, too... i don't know... anxious to tell people how he doesn't feel. Me, i've never had strong feelings so that is probably why i see him conveying things i don't relate to.

I've never felt true loss or grief. I've only reacted to things as i thought was appropriate but when i'm alone i feel almost nothing.

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I think wolfie has had some sort of emotional trauma in his childhood that triggered him to shut out emotions.



Ah! Thank you! I've said that all along! He also said he had a fall to the head that put him into a coma as a child. I was wondering: Frontal Lobe damage perhaps? I know that can cause stunted emotional experiences, he feels 'love' for his daughter, and you said that psychopaths can't.

I think he may have Post-Traumatic Stress disorder, 3 other people think that so I am not alone.

I've never felt true loss or grief.


I would try and describe it to you... But I can't.

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So I died... inside.. as a child. Thats funny cause sometimes I like to tell people (I died a little bit inside when I saw that."

Shouldn't you all feel a great remorse for me then?

According to your theory I was once one of you. Full of life and feelings. But just like my mother... something killed me inside. But it didn't take my life... just my soul.

Everything that was humane... dead.
Do you know what I was doing when I was standing over Bambi as he died? I was trying to hurt myself. I wanted to feel pain for killing that animal. I thought maybe if I stood over it and watched... it would hurt me. But it didn't. Cause I'm already dead.

Cursed to exist among the living. To see them, to know their joy, and never feel it myself.i had this terrible and vivid dream someone would expose me. I should have known it would happen. I never remember dreams but when I do they always forfill themselves.

Toby, that means that once I was like you. I felt just as real as you do. So even in this theory I know what I'm talking about. But don't you feel worse for me than them. To know I was one of you... and it was one of you that killed me. That made me into this sexy ***** I am.

Can I have my academy award now? How about some donations to the help whitewolf rehabilitate foundation? Btw I'm not angry I just come across that way because I'm sarcastic and don't care.

Website: Whitewolf.maxforum.org

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Wolfie, you should just stop the charade for awhile. You might get some new ideas, like i have! :)

Also, that was way too overdramatic to warrant an oscar, no one would believe that.

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Hexi
Wolfie, you should just stop the charade for awhile. You might get some new ideas, like i have! :)

Also, that was way too overdramatic to warrant an oscar, no one would believe that.


You're ghey no matter what I do.

Now if you'll excuse me I have to go get sedated. It's the only way I feel alive anymore. 

Btw do you see this stuff. 

Or did you see numbers?

Website: Whitewolf.maxforum.org

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i see "stuff", not numbers

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Shouldn't you all feel a great remorse for me then?


An example of remorse would be me stealing a watch and feeling bad and regretting my action, I cannot feel remorse for someone else, it's impossible.

Yes, I feel sympathy and empathic concern for you, as I do all of you guys.

Toby, that means that once I was like you. I felt just as real as you do. So even in this theory I know what I'm talking about.


See, that's what makes me not be too sure, if you truly felt our emotions, or you had previously, you'd want them, and your previous comments indicate you don't.

To see them, to know their joy, and never feel it myself.


Personally, I don't think you're a psychopath either. But I don't know.

That made me into this sexy ***** I am.


I'd love to agree... or disagree but I can only assume what you look like. And it 'aint good. :D

If you did have PTD/PTSD then it could be treated, you could be made to feel again, the world would accept you. But you can't/wont so... whatever.
It's a shame, if you lived over here it'd all be 100% free. :)

I wanted to feel pain for killing that animal.


I doubt a psychopath would care, I doubt a psychopath would want to feel. The very fact you said you'd "built an emotion wall" is highly indicative of PTSD/PTD.
You should get it check out, it's a serios possibility.

How about some donations to the help whitewolf rehabilitate foundation?


LOL I will give you £1 - $0.60. :D
Nah, I'd rather buy some gum.

Btw I'm not angry I just come across that way because I'm sarcastic and don't care.


:) You don't seem angry.

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Hexi, I'm sorry for what I said. I thought that was Tobys reply. 

Using these emotes makes me seem more human. 



We have totally derailed this thread. I'm realizing that now. 

Sorry I'll stop. 

Website: Whitewolf.maxforum.org

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I think I understand you now, you just want to argue with me!

If that wasn't true then why would you feel the need to apologize to Hexi when you thought it was me?

You should have the balls to argue with Hexi, just because he's a psychopath doesn't entitle him to be free of your argumentative replys. :)

Emotes? All I am seeing is dots... :D

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Why... cause I thought you figured me out. It was like a slap in the face. Toby... figured out my trick?! Morally it was devastating cause I see you as inferior and for you to get me like that... it would have sunk my battleship.

Thankfully it was Hexi. I expected him to understand but not you. So for him to say it is no surprise but had you said it... would be devastating. 

Okay I'm stopping now. I mean it this time. LOL

Website: Whitewolf.maxforum.org

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Wolfie, you should just stop the charade for awhile. You might get some new ideas, like i have! :)


You should listen to him.

I see you as inferior


If you see me as inferior, the you see yourself as superior, and that just isn't true. Come one Wolfie! Even you can't be that blind. Again, as Dr Rob said anyone who thinks they're superior is just confessing their fear of inferiority.
Don't be stupid, neither of us are "superior". Everyone has come to this conclusion even Hexi, yet you seem to be stuck on a loop, like a broken record.

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I wish we could have signatures here. Mine was "you SANK my battleship?!?!" on another forum. It just makes me laugh again and again!

EDIT: Oh, Toby, stop being so easy. It's depressing!

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Oh, Toby, stop being so easy. It's depressing!


I ain't taking that from a homo! :)

Mine was "you SANK my battleship?!?!" on another forum. It just makes me laugh again and again!


Ok... o.O
That just reminds me of old people in bingo... "You sank my battleship!". LOL

I wish we could add images, I'd use my favourite...



:D

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x81M3g3zjXc&feature=related

One of my favourite comedians tells why it's great to be single! You should also watch his other stuff, it's great.

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He's not my favourite, but I like him. :D

I looked at some of his other videos and found this:
It's Awesome!

Especially at 0:16 seconds!

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Well Hicks and Carlin are still the best but CK, Norton and O'Neil are funny.

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They're all American! :(
I don't really like American humour, and vice versa... I assume.
I prefer British humour myself obviously, but I do like him, and the "bag of dicks" video. :D

Aren't there any good Finnish stand up comedians?

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Not really, no. My country is a depressing sea of grey, devoid of humour. Our national sport is getting drunk and beating the **** out of our wives and children.

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I can sense your strong national pride... :D

Are you a homo? I didn't mean that insultingly, but Whitewolf said you were...


EDIT: I can't help but laugh re-reading what I just put. :D

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Nah, i'm not hehe. Wolfie is just a homophobic.

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Oh right. :D

I wasn't sure how to put "Are you a homo" into the conversation without it seeming like an insult. LOL

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Toby
Oh right. :D

I wasn't sure how to put "Are you a homo" into the conversation without it seeming like an insult. LOL


Like this "do you enjoy cocks in your ass?". It's not that hard.

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Yes, because that wouldn't be awkward. :P

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Toby
Yes, because that wouldn't be awkward. :P


You should try honesty for a change. When you ask a honest and straightforward quesion you will get an answer, even if the person lies you will know. If a person says "what? what kind of a question is that?" You know they don't want to answer. If they hesitate, it's likely that they lie. If you get an "OFCOURSE NOT!" they lie. If you get "ehhh not that i know" they are not sure if they are gay. If they look away while they answer they either lie or don't know themselves. If they laugh and say no, they aren't, unless it's an awkward laugh. Seriously Toby, you need to study reactions. There is no such thing as an "awkward" question, only akward answers and that's not your fault.

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I am honest.

Of course it would be awkward if I went up to someone I barely knew and asked them If they like to **** hookers. :D

It might be different for psychopaths, but that question would be awkward for us. Like Whitewolf (or you, I forget) said, you don't feel awkward in social situations and that's how you could ask me about my preffered pornogrpahy. I didn't find that awkward to answer, but I would find it awkward to ask.

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I'm probably going to miss some of your posts for a while, I'm busy keeping up with the results of the election, I'm eager to see who's going to run my country. :D

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the point i assume hexi was making is the banality of the issue, which is rooted in society's obsession with, in this case, female sexuality.
hexi was making the point that the man's issue doesn't deserve much of a response.
i agree completely. john should get over himself.
these hang-ups are pointless and people like hexi, see that.
he didn't really mean john should commit suicide. if you don't understand irony then god help you all, you have a long way to go.

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I'm going to just ignore the off-topic posts above, but in response to your post johnj, have you asked yourself why it's so important to you how many partners she has had, and why you're finding yourself so upset with her unwillingness to tell you? Are you upset because you perceive your girlfriend to be less pure? Do you worry that if she's had more partners, you can't trust her as much (and if so, why is that?) Are you concerned about diseases? Are you upset because she's withholding information from you? What information do you feel you have a right to know about her past, and why? Also, I'm curious, why do you suspect that she has had multiple partners? Is it due to something physical you've observed, or something she may have unwittingly alluded to in casual conversation? These are things that you need to ask yourself, if you haven't already.

Your girlfriend is probably reacting so defensively because she doesn't understand why her sexual history is so important to you, and she may be afraid that you might value her less if she's had multiple partners. It's your responsibility to first clarify this issue to yourself, so that you can better explain it to your girlfriend. Then maybe you will have a better chance at having a constructive, open conversation instead of repetitive, circular fights that shut down real communication.

It might also help to ask her (without accusing or assuming anything) to clarify her own position. Why doesn't she want to tell you? Is she afraid you'll leave her? How does she feel when you ask her about her past, and does she understand why she feels this way? Does she feel that her privacy is being invaded? It's important to make sure your tone, body language, and facial expressions don't convey a sense that you're blaming or accusing her. Make it clear that you're asking in order to better understand her, not to lead her into saying something that will get her "in trouble." Maybe try to talk about this when you're both calm, and if it gets too intense, you can give yourselves time to cool off before picking up where you left off in the conversation.

One thing I would advise, is that you'll get a lot further with your conversations about this if you don't write off her reaction as "hysterical". I'm guessing you wouldn't appreciate your girlfriend dismissing your very real emotions as hysterical, irrational, or unwarranted. So she would probably appreciate if you'd take her emotions seriously, even if you're having a hard time understanding where she's coming from. She's allowed to feel angry, resentful, or defensive just as much as you are.

In the end, she has a right to withhold any information from you that she wants. You can't make her tell you, but you can make clear statements about your own feelings and about why this issue is so important to you. When I say to make clear statements about yourself, I do not mean "You make me feel angry," (she's not responsible for your emotions), I mean something more like "I feel angry when you (fill in the blank) because (explain why without blaming her for your emotion)." She may never actually tell you, and you have to decide if you can live with that or not. It's not fair to either of you if you can't stay in the relationship without harboring resentment.

One last thing. If you are concerned about sexually transmitted diseases (and no matter how much she tries to write off this concern as irrational or paranoid, it is a valid concern), you have a right to ask her to get tested if she hasn't already. She also has a right to refuse, and it's up to you to decide whether or not you can live with that. It is your responsibility to take care of your own health.

I hope you can both work this out, please do come back and post with any updates (Try not to let the off-topic posts scare you off).