But that's the thing, it does belong in science and politics.
In politics, although many countries adhere to seperation of church and state, many don't. Our state religion over here is Christianity, Church of England.
So religion does belong in politics, history will tell you that.
As for science, science is inculded in religion, so why not vice versa? Christianity isn't just a religion, it's a way of life.
You cannot remove it from scientific or politcal backgrounds and any attempts to do so would be in vain.
Fanatic Muslims often swear by the same crap. But a world controlled by religion is a world at war with itself. Just as Muslims and Christians we would fight ad kill eachother till the end of time. Israel is an example of this.
No, we must distance ourselves from the blindness and ignorance of misinterputed books of faith and seek a common ground.
You learned nothing from the Catholic church. Besides the very last thing you want to do is try to turn a nation like the US into a religious nation. First it destroys the freedoms we kicked your British ass to achieve. Secondly if the US became one faith we would feel even more justified in the total destruction of all other faiths.
Also that puts ultimate control of the worlds most powerful and technologicly advanced military... in the hands of a crazy man who thinks God is talking to him. We destroyed two nations as it is with Bush rambling about how he thought God wanted us to do it.
Freedom of religion is far superior to that midevil way of thinking you share. Thats only because you have learned nothing from... your own history books.
You're right, how dare those books!
Of course its not the ******* books, it is not religion at fault, it's man. Our misinterpretations of said books are the problem, not religion itself.
Muslims and Christians do fight and always have, but prooving what I earlier said, It says in the Qu'ran says: "And do not dispute with the followers of the Book except by what is best, except those of them who act unjustly, and say: We believe in that which has been revealed to us and revealed to you, and our God and your God is One, and to Him do we submit."
Proof that it is not religion at fault, it's man. Using and quoting religious books for his own betterment.
I like the way you insult religion then argue for its freedom, are you certified? LOL
I don't understand why you stoop to rasiscm when all else fails? Expecting me to argue why Britain is better? I'm not going to fall to your level, I would much rather maintain my dignity.
I dislike catholicism and the Catholic Church, Britain doesn't either. Britain has issued an international arrest warrant, we are going to have him arrested next time he enters Britain for his state vists, for his part in the child sex abuse scandal.
This is getting good. I'll just sit back and enjoy the popcorn. Toby, you misunderstood me. I meant that when governments pass laws because of religion i have a problem with it, or when they handle foreign politics based on religious agendas. As to the science part, i meant that you shouldn't hinder the progress of science because of religion. Apart from those, i couldn't give a rats ass if you want to bow to a deity.
I'm glad you're enjoying this.
You said you were Finnish, don't you have the Blasphemy Law over there?
I don't think religion should be exempt from analysis and examination... Just think people shouldn't insult people for having faith.
And before, when I said that biblical quotes can be adhered to by everyone and you said "who needs independent thoughts and ideas" (LOL)
Don't you agree that there are quotes that un-religous people could aspire to? Such as treating someone how you expect to be treated...?
You are a prime example of misinterputation power. It's people like you, Toby... your ignorance is dangerous.
I told you to seek common ground with your enemies without using religion as that is confrontational.
Yet you think I have insulted religion. You think the British are a race and I have insulted them. Fallacy and yet not. You can't bloody read comprehensively!!! You see enemies where they are none. You are of the same breed as those who hunted witches.
But I agree... It's not religion.. it's people like you who think you know what religion is all about and to hell with those who disagree. Ain't that right, Toby. How could your supreme British culture ever be wrong. You know what's best for people... don't you.
I seek common ground with my enemies through religion.
You know what guys? Teapots should be made of chocolate.
Now who would of expected that to happen...
Oh No! Someone beat you to the idea.... Oh well.
No, Toby. I wasn't saying that you see me as an enemy. I said... you can't comprehensively read. Thank you for further enforcing this fact.
Seeking common ground through religion. Thats just pure ignorance. To assume you could actually bring your offensive religious crap into any negotiations with someone you **** well know hates your religion... Well thats just unenlightened.
I know you mean well, Toby. But good intentions paved the road to hell.
Try to imagine that you saw religion as offensive. Is it humane to push your religion on someone who finds it offensive? No, Toby! Bad Toby!!
I know you weren't saying you thought you saw me as an enemy, I thought you implied it.
Religion is a fairly big part of my life, I put my faith to use in every aspect of life, including dealing with "enemies".
Insulting God or religion is the ultimate sin, it's unforgiveable.
Quote me "pushing" my religion on someone...
I stay as in-keep with the Bible as I can, am I destined to go to hell? I think not.
You hate Christianity? Why?
If you do you must be the uninlightened one.
You keep talking about insulting religion.
When did I do that? What religion was it?
Blasphemy against the holy spirit was ****ation not religion. Even that was forgivable though. It was just a sign that a person was walking astray. But if that person came back around God would celebrate him more than you. Cause those who don't blindly follow... know why they should not be where as sheep who obey because they are told to.. do without ever understanding why. Ever feeling why.
LOL. I'm so sedated.
Even that was forgiveable?
All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men ... whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come. Matthew 12:31-32
Blasphemy against Jesus can be forgiven, but against God, it cannot.
"Religious Crap" isn't insulting? I think it is...
Define religious crap.
You may find that hard as there is no such thing. But you know all about religious crap don't you?
Also what if I was refering to Muslims and not your assumed Christians. Is it still crap? Is it still blasphomy?
According to my Bible... your Bible is full of crap and everyone that thinks like you is an infidel against my God and should be punished! Ignorant fool. You are just the other side of the same coin.
Don't try to understand. It's beyond your comprehensive capacity. Even if you think you know... you're wrong.
No, YOU said "religious crap".
Insulting Muslims in my view is no different to insulting Christians. We are brothers, we have faith in the same God, we pray to the same God.
There is on Bible, what are you reffering to? A completely different book or your interpretations of the Bible?
I am not going to repay your insults with insults. Im above that.
My bible is full of crap? Ever read a Bible? Or are you like the Billions of people who are to full of **** to take the time to read the most popular book on earth?
I will not repay your insults with insults, I am above that.
What about scientology? Can we insult that?
Sure you can! :-)
How about politics? It's okay to insult people for that. They do it all the time on Foxnews.
Toby is just some no good liberal.
Thats acceptable right? Your kind do it all the time.
So tell me again. I suffer from post traumatic stress? Why don't I care, Toby? Why don't I have the void anymore?
What trauma can't force me to stop caring?
Save me. Pray for me. Give me your pity. Do those soul cleansing... Things.
You already have my pity.
And as a country Britain wins every time hands-down.
Why defend a country that retains the death penalty in the 21st century? Why do killers and murderers lose their right to life?
Over here we tend to try and be the bigger person.
For Example, Abdelbaset Ali Mohmed Al Megrahi, or as you know him the "Lockerbie bomber". We released him and America went insane, It was rather funny.
Why shouldn't we show him the comppasion he was to cowardly and ignorant to show his victims?
Americans and America as a country and people make me laugh.
You all are immigrants, none of you qualify as "American"
No, I was raised by my Father and Mother. In a happy household.
Pushed into the sea?
It's rather handy we (At the time) had the largest Navy on earth.
Were you raised alone? You really do sound like it...
I've lost interest in taunting you.
Tell me about British foods you eat often.
I was waiting for someone to lose interest - I just always thought it was going to be me. :)
Do you really want me to tell you about British foods? Or were you mocking me? :-)
Tell me why you are a pacifist. That sounds interesting.
I cannot believe you are interested in anything I have to say. But Ok.
I am a Christian, and therefore believe in the teachings of Jesus. There is no doubt that Jesus forbade war and violence of any kind.
Who are the real heroes, the men killing innocents? Or the men that bravely lay down there arms and refuse to fight, regardless of the consequences, Even if the consequences are death?
You're American so remember in your country all those who advocate war, remember that they are urging a corruption which their forefathers despised.
I follow a principle of non-violence as I believe that it is morally superior and pragmatically more effective.
The only time I would ever fight was If the war was just and my country or its allies were facing assured destruction. Then, and only then I would fight, To the death. :-)
"He who holds the sword must cast it away and that if one of the faithful becomes a soldier he must be rejected by the Church, for he has scorned God."
Anymore questions? :-)
And a question from me, Why aren't you a pacifist?
Because I believe in God.
You aren't a pacifist.... Because you believe in God?
Accepting war contradicts the teachings of the Bible, you can't be on the fence. You either accept God and dismiss war, or accept war and reject God.
Seriously, No more questions? They were fun... Lol
(And You've got your website as "USA", just sayin')
You must have God and Jesus confused.
In God we trust...
Which one is God again? The beardy one right? :-)
I don't have them confused, Jesus is the son of God and he passed down the Law of God.
The Bible teaches compassion, mercy, loving your enemies and non-violent means of settling disputes.
The New Testament is clear in it's
Christianity has a "presumption against war", but others say that it has a "presumption against injustice", and the bias against war comes from the injustice that war can do.
God teaches a world in which peace and justice may flourish, and sometimes obviously war is a too needed to do this, and waging a war can sometime be considered as a "lesser evil" to letting injustices persist. In Afghanistan for example.
The Bible teaches against war and violence and the above is the only pretense in which war may be "acceptable". Is that what you mean?
Are you getting your information from The Holy Bible, or something else?
God didn't say any of that crap. Who are you lying to?
Pushing your failed faith and cowardly pacifist ways on people.. claiming these to be rightious. Yeah.. tell the Jews they should just hug their enemies. Don't be surprised when they tell you to **** off as well.
Any person who says they would only fight to save their nation is a lier and a coward. What they are really saying is that they won't lift a finger to even save themselves until the fight is on their land. Until the enemy is already over running them.
You'll have to forgive us if we don't wait till after our enemies invade. In the US we learned that if you just sit on your butt and slack off thinking good thoughts... Zeh Germans will getcha with their sick sick porn. LOL
I wouldn't fight in any war. Those in power can glass the whole continent for all i care, as long as i'm not there when it happens.
I didn't say God said any of that? How can a bodyless being write?
Jesus said it however, the son of God.
Let me rephrase my previous statement - I would fight in a war if my country needed me or if my country faced destruction. Calling me a coward for not accepting war and violence? I'm sorry but I have come to the conclusion you must be an idiot! :-) You have no right to call me cowardly. You don't even know me.
I refuse to kill other innocent people in the same situation as me. If my country needed me, and I believed it was the right thing to do, I would fight.
I'm curious. On MyTherapy and on here you say that you believe in god AND The Bible...?
Obviously you were lying right?
Quote to me, from the Bible, were it accept War and Violence as a helpful tool?
Jesus didn't just make **** up as he went along. He was the son of God. He passed down God's Law, GOD'S LAW!
You make me want to explooooooode!
Whitewolf - You aren't going to call Hexi a "coward" or "liar" are you? No, proof you just want to fight with me.
Don't misunderstand me. I would have no trouble to command troops from afar but frontlines? Yeah, no. I'll rather stay away from bullets flying at me. I actually think war is fascinating, very much so. Especially how people that claim they are civilized and honourable turn into rapists and cannibals, given the right circumstances. Ahh, i could discuss the finer points of war and warfare for hours.
No, I understood you perfectly. You don't want to die. Who does?
Plenty of people claim to be religious or civilsed as you say, but descend into animals on the war front.
I have a good idea, Robots! Yeah, countries should fight robots instead of people, then whoever wins and has the most rob..... No, thats an awful idea.
We've really gone astray from Psychology....
"LESS THAN US"? You are so irritatingly blind. We are so much more than you, we have something amazing. You, were are you in life hmm? I don't know myself but I can assume somewhere not great.
You're pitiful, you couldn't lead your own life let alone anyone elses. The emotional are so much more than psychopaths; a bunch of people I would spit on it the street. You disgust me, If you were capable for just one second of feeling what I feel every day, you would realise, your life SUCKS.
You suffer from "superiority complex", you think you are better for LACKING WHAT MAKES YOU HUMAN!
Conscience is so great, it guides you, but it only guides you by what YOU BELIEVE. So, its not like its holding you back. If only you weren't so closed-minded. You arent ******* superior in ANY WAY!
You lead a pitiful life, you crave (Subconciously or not) what we have every day! ADMIT IT! DR HARE says that your brains create your superirotity COMPLEX to protect yourself from going insane! litterally, psychologically INSANE!
But, we can feel others emotions...
Thats Empathy... and Empathic Concern...
Rich people are not a species. It depends on the person, of course they could feel empathy for the poor its just the arrogant ****ers that don't help.
Empathy isn't being able to understand as much as it being able to feel, actually feel, how other feel. To put yourself in their place emotionally.
A complex form of psychological inference in which observation, memory, knowledge, and reasoning are combined to yield insights into the thoughts and feelings of others, and experience similar feeling.
Sums it up pretty well.
Do you feel empathy for me?
You should read my 70+ page thread on mytherapy.
Maybe you could cry hearing my tragic life. Bleed for me. Die for me. Feel my pain. Let it consume you. Whatever.
I do feel empathy for you, and sympathy.
You're good at instilling emotions in your 44+ pages of posting. :-)
Well, That seemingly simple question is actually very hard to answer. :-)
That's like me saying: "Hey, I've never eaten an orange... What does it taste like?" You wouldn't be able to answer.
It feels.... Sad?
I feel as I would feel if the same happened to me I suppose. It would be easier to answer if I felt empathy to you in person.