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Dermatologist and nudism

The question; do you tell your Healthcare provider about your nudism?

I have been seeing the same dermatologist for 6 or 7 years now. On my first visit she checked all of my skin not covered by my boxer shorts. She found some precancerous cells on my face and a basal cell. The basal cell was surgically removed a month later.

In the six months leading up to my next dermatologist appointment, I read several articles about basal cells...specifically reoccurring basal cells. I learned basal cells have a high reoccurring rate and can be found anywhere on your body.

I decided I needed to talk to my dermatologist about my nudism. So on my next appointment, before my skin exam, I explained to my dermatologist that I was a nudist and spent lots of nude time in the sunshine. To my pleasant surprise, she suggested including all skin under my boxers, too. The exam has been that way every time since.

When I told my dermatologist I was a nudist, I was very nervous. My heart was beating quickly because I didn't know how she would react. Looking back, her reaction was perfect for any Healthcare professional and I was thankful.

Over the years, she has found another basal cell and many precancerous cells. I am thankful to have such a well qualified and caring dermatologist.

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I used to go to the VA for medical care. I would have them remove my basal cell carcinomas. About the time I got tired of them not listening to what I wanted I found a black topical salve that I now use to remove them and, usually there is not even a scar. I have been using it for a few years not.

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I have told my Primary Care doctor of my nude recreation. I got a referral to a Dermatologist for an unrelated condition, but I also told her about my occasional full skin exposure to the sun. I can relate to your anxiety about sharing this detail, but I knew it was important to get professional screening.

During my full-body exam appointment the PA gave me the lovely open-backed gown and said to undress and put on the gown, and that I could leave my underwear on. When the doctor came in I told her that I had totally disrobed under the gown due to my full sun activities. She said I did the right thing by doing that, it makes it easier to examine everything necessary.

Luckily, I received a clean bill of health so I have a year until my next visit.

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Choosing to enjoy nude recreation isn't a negative in my book.

We accept the risk posed by the sun because the benefits from moderate sun exposure are so great.

A few minutes of exposure can stimulate the body to produce vitamin D, a hormone so essential to good overall health. People who are fair-skinned may want to rely on vitamin D tablets for most of their vitamin D, but as people get older, the body has a more difficult time assimilating the D in these tablets. You may find that exposing your skin is the most effective way. Incidentally, if only your hands and face are exposed to the sun, it takes a lot longer to get your daily dose of D than if your body is nude. Someone who is nude can put each and every skin cell to work and then come in from the sun that much sooner.

And there is so much we can do to mitigate the risk. In Florida, many people put shade cloth on an arch or lathe frame over their swimming pools to allow them to play outside longer. In that climate, adequate sun will still get through to allow people to make vitamin D.
You can move to the shade after you have reached a safe limit; or play outside in early morning or late in the day, or even after dark if you have good lighting.

You can put mineral sunscreens on your skin to provide a degree of protection.
(In contrast to physical/mineral sunscreens, chemical sunscreens are absorbed into the body where there is the potential for harm to the body).

Jerry, that black salve may be working for you, but obviously you have learned how to apply it and I am not sure everyone is prepared to use it safely. All I can say is, "Folks, do your research, talk to the experts and be careful!"

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I agree with you Ramblinman, nudist activities are a positive in my book as well. I'm also doing what I can to minimize risk. Annual screening exams are just another means of reducing the negatives.

Stay nude, stay happy :sunglasses:

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Ramblinman, I agree being in the sun for vitamin D is a good thing, however, I would also agree with mTr. Go to your dermatologist for annual full body skin exams. Nudists all love the sun so we are a higher risk group for skin cancer.

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Computerstation
Ramblinman, I agree being in the sun for vitamin D is a good thing, however, I would also agree with mTr. Go to your dermatologist for annual full body skin exams. Nudists all love the sun so we are a higher risk group for skin cancer.
Computerstation, I went to a dermatologist just a few weeks ago!
Skin is the body's largest organ.
Why wouldn't we want to include skincare in our health regimen?

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It looks like we are all in violent AGREEMENT. :grinning:

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Dermatology refers to the dermis, or skin. All of it. Tinnea cruris, commonly called jock itch, is just one of many conditions or problems that can affect the skin near the penis or vagina. Cysts, lipomas, etc, and many more affect those areas. Your Dermatologist is well acquainted with both the entire human body but also knows there are many different lifestyles that his/her patients may participate in. Their job is not to judge but to diagnose and treat problems and assist the patient to resolve health concerns.

You and others should have no hesitation or qualms about revealing naturist/nudist activities. It will serve to assist them to do their job as a medical professional. They might br a bit surprised to learn something new about you, but their holistic approach is to treat you, as a whole person, including any activities that come with associated health problems.

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PS: As a health care provider in an acute care setting, I've treated open, prurient cysts (draining abcesses) in the gluteal cleft ("butt crack"). Checking for skin cancer on a practicing nudist is much less of a challenge. I've also dealt with self inflicted injury from grooming "manscaping", as well as a variety of skin disorders, dermatitis, etc. It's all in a day's work as the saying goes. 😀

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Computerstation
The question; do you tell your Healthcare provider about your nudism? … When I told my dermatologist I was a nudist, I was very nervous. My heart was beating quickly because I didn't know how she would react. Looking back, her reaction was perfect for any Healthcare professional and I was thankful.


Now that my husband and I are married and paying our own insurance through our companies, we're totally open about social nudity with our family doctor, a woman both of us like. Not so much when we were younger and our parents were paying for our insurance when in college.

I've had a few occasional female issues over the years (mostly UTIs) that in at least one case might have been due to swimming at the lakefront cottage while nude, thanks to an application of farm fertilizer shortly before a major rain that caused lake pollution we didn't know about until later. Also, she's explained some things we didn’t know about cleanliness "down there" while making love that can be issues for women but not usually for men.

Far from nudism being a problem, she says I'm probably healthier "down there" than many women because we both "air things out" and get sunshine in places where most don't. JoeMohdest is right about "jock itch." My doctor tells her patients with that problem, especially women but also men, that it's healthier not to wear panties or shorts to bed so moisture doesn't collect down there, and she encourages her married patients and single patients who have bedroom privacy to sleep nude, or in sheer nighties for women and long shirts for men, without panties or underpants.

Since she knows we are nudists, she checks both of us, all over, each time we see her, for any signs of cancerous or precancerous lesions. So far we've had a clean bill of health, but she cautions anyone who tans regularly to avoid sunburns. She says another health benefit to nudism is we don't have some parts of our bodies that rarely see the sun and might get sunburned when we wear clothing that exposes skin that doesn't usually see the sun. An all-over tan, she says, is safer than a dark tan on most of the body with some parts remaining pasty white. For men who usually wear collared shirts, a T-shirt in the summer sun can risk a serious burn on the neck.

My husband asked during an exam whether she has any other nudist patients. Her reply: "More than you would think. More and more women like to even out tan lines at home, or people who aren't used to tanning nude visit places on vacation, get sunburned, and come in for help with sunburns that turn into blisters. If you're going to tan nude, do it safely. But you two know that and take the right precautions." Since she seems knowledgeable about nudism, we've asked if she and her husband go to nude places. We've never gotten a direct answer from her, but from the deep tans we've seen on her after winter vacations in Florida, we're pretty sure she goes to nude beaches or resorts there on vacation. She knows the names of the big ones.

Things were very different when we were in college. My husband (then boyfriend, of course), told his parents, but only after we started very seriously dating, that we visited nude beaches. They had medical concerns about really silly stuff and asked him to talk to their family physician, who told him and his parents the only thing he had to worry about was potential overexposure to the sun. His doctor also had a blunt talk with him about STDs and didn't believe we were still virgins. "Don’t try to tell me you and Beachbunny are naked together and not in bed together," was the way he put it, and gave him lots of important warnings about preventing pregnancy and medical problems.

As for my parents… they would have alternated between crying for weeks and screaming at us if they'd known we went to nude beaches, so I never told them. When my (female) doctor asked about my all-over tan, I lied to her and said I used tanning beds during the winter, and told her a half-truth that during spring, summer, and fall, I went to secluded locations on campus where women liked to get all-over tans. Not surprisingly, my doctor lectured me about the dangers of tanning beds and said if I wanted an all-over tan, doing it naturally was safer.

I've written more and may post it, but it's quite personal and embarrassing, and while I've written some of that here before, it was a long time ago and I need to think some more before posting what I've written. My husband's family is much more sympathetic than mine and have since tried social nudity and all-over sunbathing themselves, though they're not comfortable being "nude with strangers," only at home pools with family and close friends.

My family? No way. It's never going to happen.

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JoeMohdest
You and others should have no hesitation or qualms about revealing naturist/nudist activities. It will serve to assist them to do their job as a medical professional. They might be a bit surprised to learn something new about you, but their holistic approach is to treat you, as a whole person, including any activities that come with associated health problems.


"SHOULD" is the key word.

Dermatologists and other specialists are one thing. Family doctors who are well-known not only to the patient but also other family members and relatives can be trickier.

Yes, medical privacy rules apply, but a college-age woman trying social nudity with a boyfriend without her parents knowledge may be REALLY scared to tell her family doctor. A campus doctor may be a safer choice.

But I want to be positive. Thank you to Computerstation, Jerry Sledge, mTr, Ramblinman, and JoeMohdest for starting a new thread on a board that seemed to be dying. Good discussion.

In my little part of the world, things are starting to warm up again and we've had days in the 70s and even a few warm afternoons in the 80s. The water at the lakefront cottage is still cold, but it's brisk and refreshing for those of us who like jogging to peel off our clothes after a run, race down the hill fully nude to the dock, and jump in and get a VERY quick cooldown. Still too cold to stay in too long, but we were finally able to persuade one of the nervous girlfriends of one of the college freshmen who had been trying all last semester to get his girlfriend to go nude with him. (The cottage owner has an all-nude rule but made an exception for her since her boyfriend has been coming to the cottage for years with his family and his girlfriend seemed open to social nudity.)

Each visit last fall she backed out, though she was willing to take off her swimsuit underwater in the jacuzzi and had no problem with her boyfriend being nude or being in her swimsuit with nude people. Usual situation of a young woman not used to seeing men nude, watching with eyes wide open as male friends pulled down their pants and their girlfriends undressed. She had her hands on her bra clasp on her first visit, and almost managed to do it until a male friend tried to be helpful by telling her she looked really "hot" and would be even better without her bra, and she lost her nerve and never finished undressing that day last fall. Second visit the guy wasn't there and she did take off her swimsuit underwater, and blushed deeply when we did what we often do of turning off the water jets after a good long soak, and women's upper torsos are visible through clear non-bubbly water. She asked for a towel when it was time to get out and left shortly after with her boyfriend. The third visit was her last before it got too cold, and she enjoyed nude swimming and was okay treading water next to nude guys who could see pretty much everything, and even got out of the lake naked and walked back to the cottage without a towel, but asked to put one on to watch a movie with us, went to bed early with her boyfriend, and left with her boyfriend the next morning right after breakfast (which she was willing to eat nude in our group) when she learned she would be expected to take a group shower before using the pool.

This time she changed into jogging clothes with her boyfriend in their room right after arrival (well, not right away -- they spent about an hour in the room alone first) and went jogging with some friends, and after getting back from their run, they had all agreed to race each other to undress, run down to the dock, jump in the lake, and swim nude as long as they could stand the cold. It worked well. She never got dressed again all weekend and had great fun, including the group shower she'd been dreading.

She told me her first group shower turned out to be the best part of the weekend. There's something really special about walking out of a room in the morning completely nude, holding the hand of the man we love, meeting friends and their boyfriends who are completely nude, and showering together under warm water with friends as our modesty washes down the drain along with the soap we are using to wash ourselves and our boyfriends. Being bare is exciting but it also feels very vulnerable, especially for women, and it is very reassuring to feel the touch of our boyfriend as we learn to accept that it is perfectly normal, natural, and healthy for young people to enjoy seeing and being seen without our clothes.

Let's hope she comes back next weekend since the weather is supposed to be great.

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Beachbunny, thanks for chiming in. Your nude experiences and thoughtful stories are always welcome.

"I've had a few occasional female issues over the years (mostly UTIs) that in at least one case might have been due to swimming at the lakefront cottage while nude, thanks to an application of farm fertilizer shortly before a major rain that caused lake pollution we didn't know about until later."

Farms using fertilizer that will pollute a lake is disheartening, especially when you own a lake front home. We love our farmers, but sometimes we should insist on all organic farming methods. Does your state have such laws?

My wife has experienced UTIs in the past and found them most displeasurable. Doses the possibility of infection make you hesitant to swim?

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Good questions, Computerstation.

No, one bad experience (and my UTI may not even have been due to the heavy rainstorm washing fertilizer into a river that ended up in a cove of a large lake) isn't enough to get me to give up swimming. It wasn't really the farmer's fault either. Unexpected heavy rain washed away valuable fertilizer he needed. If we're going to swim in open water — rivers, lakes, ocean beaches — we have to accept the water comes from places we know nothing about. I'm not willing to restrict myself to heavily chlorinated pools. Even in pools, unless we own the pool and maintain the water filtration system and the pool chemicals, we don't know if they are being run right. At even the best-maintained public pools, one parent who wasn't monitoring their child's bowel or urine needs, or a child who doesn't "fess up" to an accident, can create a problem that may never be detected, or if it is detected, won't be until after everyone in the pool has been swimming in something much more likely to cause problems for humans than a highly diluted fertilizer runoff. The big problem with fertilizer runoff is it promotes growth of algae and other unwanted plant life. In a long inlet or cove with somewhat restricted water circulation, it can take a while to flush algae blooms or unwanted plant growth out of the cove and into the main body of the lake, where it will dissipate quickly due to water currents.

The next question you didn’t ask but others have asked who wonder about potential problems of nudism — swimming nude almost certainly made no difference in acquiring that UTI and nude swimming may have helped me prevent many others.

Unlike men, women have a fairly large opening "down there," and it's warm and moist inside. That means there are very real risks to women wearing a damp swimsuit for hours on end, especially one that is tightly fitting with padding intended to conceal the outline of women's pubic area and prevent the swimsuit fabric from rubbing against or irritating sensitive skin. Most people are familiar with padding on the upper part of women's swimsuits to conceal the nipples, and on men's swimsuits so the penis won't be obvious, but bikini bottoms or even one-pieces that are designed to fit snugly in the pubic area may have padding. Some women who regularly have UTIs while swimming wear looser-fitting swim shorts, but unless we're going to wear an industrial strength wetsuit designed for diving into sewage, nothing will keep water and bacteria from getting inside "down there." Water penetrates any swimsuit and whatever is in the water goes with it.

What can help is taking off the swimsuit after swimming instead of keeping it on all day, which is why women who have trouble with UTIs or yeast infections or other issues while swimming sometimes go inside the house, take off their swimsuit and dry themselves off, and then change their bottoms to a dry set or put on a loose-fitting skirt or shorts.

What works much better than putting dry swimsuit bottoms on a still-damp body is letting things dry out down there by suntanning nude, and what works best of all is never putting on a swimsuit at all and swimming nude so the fabric never collects bacteria and puts it next to a moist opening down there. E. coli, the bacteria that most commonly causes UTIs, does live in open water in nature, but it's much more likely to get into women's urinary tracts by transfer from their own anus. Think of what happens when a swimsuit gets wet, and stays in close contact with women's bodies for hours, and how easy it becomes for bacteria to migrate a few inches through wet fabric.

Or maybe it's better not to think about what can be growing inside bikini bottoms. It's pretty gross.

Maybe it's better to think of the UTI risk as a great reason for women to swim without a swimsuit and let things "air out" down there.

Think of that: a health campaign encouraging nude swimming to avoid infections caused by unhealthy swimsuits. Maybe (in a different world) we could start by encouraging swimming pools and beaches to be clothing-optional for health reasons, and someday get to the point that pools and beaches would start to ban swimsuits as a health risk, like most places today ban smoking cigarettes.

The more I think about this, the more I like the idea. It's totally unrealistic in today’s world and I know it, but tons of women have suffered unnecessarily with UTIs due to wet swimsuits, and at least some of those women would be open to swimming nude if more beaches and swimming pools allowed it and it became socially acceptable as a good health practice. Long ago men were required to swim nude in public pools for health reasons, so maybe it could happen again.

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BeachBunny
Good questions, Computerstation.

No, one bad experience (and my UTI may not even have been due to the heavy rainstorm washing fertilizer into a river that ended up in a cove of a large lake) isn't enough to get me to give up swimming. It wasn't really the farmer's fault either. Unexpected heavy rain washed away valuable fertilizer he needed. If we're going to swim in open water — rivers, lakes, ocean beaches — we have to accept the water comes from places we know nothing about. I'm not willing to restrict myself to heavily chlorinated pools. Even in pools, unless we own the pool and maintain the water filtration system and the pool chemicals, we don't know if they are being run right. At even the best-maintained public pools, one parent who wasn't monitoring their child's bowel or urine needs, or a child who doesn't "fess up" to an accident, can create a problem that may never be detected, or if it is detected, won't be until after everyone in the pool has been swimming in something much more likely to cause problems for humans than a highly diluted fertilizer runoff. The big problem with fertilizer runoff is it promotes growth of algae and other unwanted plant life. In a long inlet or cove with somewhat restricted water circulation, it can take a while to flush algae blooms or unwanted plant growth out of the cove and into the main body of the lake, where it will dissipate quickly due to water currents.

The next question you didn’t ask but others have asked who wonder about potential problems of nudism — swimming nude almost certainly made no difference in acquiring that UTI and nude swimming may have helped me prevent many others.

Unlike men, women have a fairly large opening "down there," and it's warm and moist inside. That means there are very real risks to women wearing a damp swimsuit for hours on end, especially one that is tightly fitting with padding intended to conceal the outline of women's pubic area and prevent the swimsuit fabric from rubbing against or irritating sensitive skin. Most people are familiar with padding on the upper part of women's swimsuits to conceal the nipples, and on men's swimsuits so the penis won't be obvious, but bikini bottoms or even one-pieces that are designed to fit snugly in the pubic area may have padding. Some women who regularly have UTIs while swimming wear looser-fitting swim shorts, but unless we're going to wear an industrial strength wetsuit designed for diving into sewage, nothing will keep water and bacteria from getting inside "down there." Water penetrates any swimsuit and whatever is in the water goes with it.

What can help is taking off the swimsuit after swimming instead of keeping it on all day, which is why women who have trouble with UTIs or yeast infections or other issues while swimming sometimes go inside the house, take off their swimsuit and dry themselves off, and then change their bottoms to a dry set or put on a loose-fitting skirt or shorts.

What works much better than putting dry swimsuit bottoms on a still-damp body is letting things dry out down there by suntanning nude, and what works best of all is never putting on a swimsuit at all and swimming nude so the fabric never collects bacteria and puts it next to a moist opening down there. E. coli, the bacteria that most commonly causes UTIs, does live in open water in nature, but it's much more likely to get into women's urinary tracts by transfer from their own anus. Think of what happens when a swimsuit gets wet, and stays in close contact with women's bodies for hours, and how easy it becomes for bacteria to migrate a few inches through wet fabric.

Or maybe it's better not to think about what can be growing inside bikini bottoms. It's pretty gross.

Maybe it's better to think of the UTI risk as a great reason for women to swim without a swimsuit and let things "air out" down there.

Think of that: a health campaign encouraging nude swimming to avoid infections caused by unhealthy swimsuits. Maybe (in a different world) we could start by encouraging swimming pools and beaches to be clothing-optional for health reasons, and someday get to the point that pools and beaches would start to ban swimsuits as a health risk, like most places today ban smoking cigarettes.

The more I think about this, the more I like the idea. It's totally unrealistic in today’s world and I know it, but tons of women have suffered unnecessarily with UTIs due to wet swimsuits, and at least some of those women would be open to swimming nude if more beaches and swimming pools allowed it and it became socially acceptable as a good health practice. Long ago men were required to swim nude in public pools for health reasons, so maybe it could happen again.
I'll sign on to your health campaign idea.