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Re: Are psychopaths and sociopaths inevitably narcissistic?

Daniel Birdick
Dr. Robert replied to a question on his website which seems to suggest that psychopathy is an extreme form of narcissistic personality disorder. I wonder what the self-admitted psychopaths on this forum such as Hexi, Whitewolf, and others think of that idea.

Narcissism turned inward can be said to be sociopathic if it only means to focus on your own needs and desires to the exclusion of everyone else's. No one else’s needs and desires are relevant, therefore they can be used and discarded at will. Narcissism turned outward and toward obtaining attention, admiration, and so on, is the kind of narcissism we are most familiar with.

I don't know if that means there is a continuum though. Perhaps it just means there is a difference in focus.

Jedi are selfless and only think of others. Sith and selfish and only think of themselves.

Amusing that you think the truth is even obtainable. According to Doctor Robert Langs writings... my mind is more structured like that of the unconscious than that of the conscious.

Do you dream? Can you remember any of your dreams? If so would you tell them to me. Tell me say.. a dream of highly emotional impact on you or a reocuring dream?

I don't believe in labels. Often they are not representative of the causes. You don't know why someone is a psychopath. Without the cause you can only treat the symptoms. Then again.. maybe if people weren't so **** retarded and actually knew what psychopath meant, and not the movie version.. oh well. People are stupid.

Re: Are psychopaths and sociopaths inevitably narcissistic?

I never heard of this idea that the sociopathic brain is structured like the unconscious brain= would love to reaad up on this, could you direct me to a good article, research or book? thanks.

as for labels- obviously the labels are just labeling a group of symptoms, and they don't just do that with psychopaths either...
but we OBVIOUSLY need them- because that is what we want to treat is the symptoms, how they got that way isn't necessarily so important...

when i was depressed i could give you a thousand reasons why, maybe it was the reasons, maybe not, but I was suffering and so medication alleviated my symptoms so I could go on and lead a productive life.

besides it is very naive to think we don't use labels on a daily basis. if you don't then you must be the most PC sociopath on the planet lol!
labels are fine, we have been classifying things, plants and people, etc.. since humans could think! black, white, blue green- labels, how would you paint your house without the right label??
the idea I think is simply not to judge someone based on a label- as I agree with what the doctor said about how we just arise as we arise, so judging doesn't serve any purpose, but solving the problem in the case of personality disorders is the purpose.

treatment is label specific, but even then a good doctor should not get caught up in the label, must think outside the box so to speak...