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Re: Religion?

The whole idea of god is nonsense to people who arent stupid idiots. God created the world in 7 DAYS?! **** off. no he did not

Re: Religion?

God created the world in 7 DAYS?!


Very popular misconception, like God resting on Sunday, it was saturday.
I am going to have to do this again...

"But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is as a thousand years"

It was 7000 years. :)

Re: Religion?

Psycho1
The whole idea of god is nonsense to people who arent stupid idiots. God created the world in 7 DAYS?! **** off. no he did not

Okey you can SAYS that. yours belief ageinst OTHER belief. im DOES not likes posts like this because it be like i does EXPLAINING many wise things and then they JUST responds with something like THIS and not actualy even LISTEN when i DOES spend many times with WRITING mine POST.

Daniel Birdick
Ok, because I am bored at the moment I’ll try to translate what I think Lega is saying, which will be difficult. Then I’ll add my response.

Lega’s first point seems to be, “We can’t be 100% sure of anything… therefore god exists”. Yes, I think that’s true to a certain extent. We can’t know things with complete certainty. And yes, I do think a leap of faith is necessary to get anything done in the world. Having said that, it is one thing to leap to a belief that can be reliably counted on, based on repeated history (if you let go of an apple you are holding in your hand, it will fall instead of float away for instance) and quite another to leap to a belief based almost entirely on hearsay, exaggeration, and possible hallucinogenic experiences. The former is a small little hop onto something reasonably solid. The latter is a huge leap across a bottomless chasm. We actually don’t need to know anything with certainty in order live.

Secondly, Lega’s position on subjectivity leads inexorably to solipsism, or the belief that my mind is the only one that matters because for all practical purposes, it is the only one that exists. Subjectivity is a favorite of the religious of all persuasions. The argument goes something like, “Since I can’t be certain anyone or anything exists outside of my awareness, I can’t really say that anything science explains has any validity… therefore god exists.” Which is all well and good. Until you get out of bed in the morning. All of a sudden, every single thing you do and will ever do will depend on you believing that the world around you continues to exist with or without your awareness of it. That goes double for the people who inhabit it. Your boss just won’t go away, bill collectors won’t go away, rent and/or mortgage is still due, family drama continues to go on, etc ad nauseum. It’s funny how things just keep persisting as if they existed when you aren’t aware of them. Solipsists are left in an untenable position practically speaking, and their actions prove this.

So we can see why it is easy for Lega to disparage science, all the while using instruments (computers, the internet and so on) that science (thru technology) made possible. This is always the part I find ironic about religious people who poo-poo on science when it seems to counter their cherished fairy tales while using the internet to buy male prostitutes or going to a physician when they are really sick or getting on an airplane or driving a car or watching TV… Faith in god made none of the things we moderns take for granted possible. Reason, thru science, thru technology did. Tell me Lega brother, did you use your faith in god to make your comments appear on this forum? Or fix your car? Or pay your bills?

You see Lega, the truth is you don’t actually believe science is on the same intellectual footing as religious faith because your actions demonstrate that you know better. You know what can and can’t be relied on in your real, day to day life, and it isn’t god. To demonstrate the factuality of what I am saying, all I need do is ask you to let go of the apple you talked about. I can guarantee you, with almost complete certainty, that the apple will fall instead of rise. I can tell you why by referring you to some physics texts. Very practical stuff. You in turn ask me to pray… but you cannot guarantee me that any god of any kind will answer in any way that is intelligible or reliable. You can only tell me to tell myself to believe you no matter what the evidence of my senses tell me, which is all religious faith amounts to.
what you DOES talking about? does READS mine post again i didnt SAYED that. why you does TWISTS mine words? also maybe it was God who did sented me to this forum to help people. im DOESNT know why it so hard to accept :/ or why you DOES get angry when we criticises yours LOGIC. it not like we say you is dumb or enything. if you dident UNDERSTANDS realy then tell me what PARTS then i does try EXPLAIN again.

Lega
im is THINKING you dont ever READ bible?

if you DOES read bible im is THINKING you turn inligtened im DOES knows you are WEAK you FAITH is waving.
just because you did THINKS you KNOWS dosent make you KNOW eveything.
you DOES says i dont KNOWS when you SAY you knows you dont PROVES you knows.

i DIDENT wroted this. it be probably psycho1 or someone else. doesnt DO it again got it? and if you DOES tryes to do it to someone else you does go to dealing with ME.

Re: Religion?

I approve of this thread. It's full of all sorts of awesome.

Re: Religion?

Lega:

Come on man, I'm not mad! I said I was bored, hence the speechifying. I'm just talking to be talking at this point. I know you aren't going to change your mind so I'm not taking this conversation seriously.

That is the beauty of the religious meme. It is like a virus and part of the way it infects the mind of its host is by making it impervious to reason. It is really quite ingenious actually. I would start a church or a religion for fun and profit because it would be all too easy to gather a large following, but meh, I don’t feel like it.

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Daniel Birdick
Lega:

Come on man, I'm not mad! I said I was bored, hence the speechifying. I'm just talking to be talking at this point. I know you aren't going to change your mind so I'm not taking this conversation seriously.

That is the beauty of the religious meme. It is like a virus and part of the way it infects the mind of its host is by making it impervious to reason. It is really quite ingenious actually. I would start a church or a religion for fun and profit because it would be all too easy to gather a large following, but meh, I don’t feel like it.
does you BE real Daniel Birdick or someone does FAKE again? i does THINKED you is someone who does listens to logic that is very RARE in this day.

does you mean that peoples who DOSENT agrees with you is brainwash and you does USES that to prove you is right and also SMARTER? im does knows you been in HARSH TIMES and probably doesnt like religion because something bad DID happened or did in CHILDHOOD but we is here for you and RELIGION *DOES* helps you. im DOESNT says this as RELIGIOUS PERSON im does say this as friend. you can TRUSTS us.

Re: Religion?

Lega
does you BE real Daniel Birdick or someone does FAKE again?


LMAO! You're killing me. Seriously. I never thought I'd have a reason to say this, but yes, yes I am the real Daniel Birdick. Couldn't you tell by the long winded, pseudo-intellectual sounding quality of my previous comments? No one around here does pretension quite like yours truly.

Re: Religion?

Daniel Birdick
Lega
does you BE real Daniel Birdick or someone does FAKE again?


LMAO! You're killing me. Seriously. I never thought I'd have a reason to say this, but yes, yes I am the real Daniel Birdick. Couldn't you tell by the long winded, pseudo-intellectual sounding quality of my previous comments? No one around here does pretension quite like yours truly.
hmmm yes i DID asked you that so does you ANSWERS them OTHER text i DID writed? (i did SPENTED many times in WRITING that) im doesnt THINKS that even if you DOES tryes bully me and makes me look STUPID im DOESNT think that does makes you right. im actualy think that means you canot denyes my logic..

Re: Religion?

Lega
Daniel Birdick
Lega
does you BE real Daniel Birdick or someone does FAKE again?


LMAO! You're killing me. Seriously. I never thought I'd have a reason to say this, but yes, yes I am the real Daniel Birdick. Couldn't you tell by the long winded, pseudo-intellectual sounding quality of my previous comments? No one around here does pretension quite like yours truly.
hmmm yes i DID asked you that so does you ANSWERS them OTHER text i DID writed? (i did SPENTED many times in WRITING that) im doesnt THINKS that even if you DOES tryes bully me and makes me look STUPID im DOESNT think that does makes you right. im actualy think that means you canot denyes my logic..


Oh thats definatly him, Lega.

He's the high end version of a Toby. In my fantasies where 2012 solar flares ruin civilization and the strongest tribe (the police) fall.. and humanity crumbles... and it's all Mel Gibson roadwayrior style... LOL where was I going with this... Oh yeah.. I'm going to watch that long winded-streetstupid-knownothing cry his sorry eyes out and collapse at my feet when he sees his world die. To watch you all kill yourselves as your materialistic world falls and you are reduced back to the iron age. I know it's far fetched but most fantasies are.

Website: Whitewolf.maxforum.org

Re: Religion?

He's the high end version of a Toby.


I couldn't of put that better myself.

Whitewolf
I'm going to watch that long winded-streetstupid-knownothing cry his sorry eyes out and collapse at my feet when he sees his world die.


In my version, you walk outside you house and get hit by a lightning bolt from Zeus and die.
Then me and Daniel ascend into the clouds where we meet up with God, and we party like it's 1999. Oh and we have cake.
Far fetched?

Re: Religion?

Your story is boring and uncreative. But... I laughed at the part where you both fly to Heaven. In my head you both sprouted wings and flew your fairy butts straight into the sun and got bug zapped!

BZZzzzap!

I know this is leaving topic but it's human nature to evolve and change.

Website: Whitewolf.maxforum.org

Re: Religion?

We aren't arguing, so it's fine.

Your story is boring and uncreative.


Your story is more so. It lacks imaginative thinking.
:D
In mine, there's cake and partying. I win.

Re: Religion?

I just realized something. You are a child masquerading as an adult, aren’t you Wolfster? Your emotional immaturity stunts your capacity for reason, judging by your comments here. In that way, you are in fact no different from the very people you need to feel superior to. I would feel sorry for you if I could.

Re: Religion?

Are you a psychopath Daniel?

Re: Religion?

Toby
Are you a psychopath Daniel?


No. I’m just a guy with little to no conscience. I know that to Dr. Robert that means I am a psychopath. But as far as I’m concerned, I’m not. I'm just amoral.

Re: Religion?

Daniel,
I think someone can be amoral without lacking a conscience. That is pretty much where I am at.

Re: Religion?

ror666
Daniel,
I think someone can be amoral without lacking a conscience. That is pretty much where I am at.


I agree. It's just that for as long as I can remember, I have never had a conscience, which I define as feelings attached to notions of some kind of morality, feelings that are rooted in emotional attachments to others.

Re: Religion?

Defining yourself and what your morals are to be is something everyone must do. Thats not being a psychopath.

Turning your back on a friend in need because you don't want to deal with their emotional crap and "you don't care" is being a psychopath. Having sexual thoughts about a girl while she is bleeding her feelings on you.. is being a psychopath.

Having an emotional arguement with a woman and to just stop yelling and burst into laughter... because she makes funny faces when she is angry... is emotional disconnection. It happens all the time. People start crying about retarded crap and.. it's funny.

Besides the idea of us having anything valid in common is just offensive to me. It's insulting. Hurts my pride. Ego deflated. I nearly killed myself. Please... stop.

Website: Whitewolf.maxforum.org

Re: Religion?

That really made me smile, woflie, thanks! Also, you are way too over the top recently, why is that? It's fun to see these silly responses but... meh.

Re: Religion?

Daniel Birdick
I just realized something. You are a child masquerading as an adult, aren’t you Wolfster? Your emotional immaturity stunts your capacity for reason, judging by your comments here. In that way, you are in fact no different from the very people you need to feel superior to. I would feel sorry for you if I could.


Even his insults are long and drawn out. All he said was "you're acting like a child! Cut it out!" also known as "what's wrong with you?!" or "you are disrupting my emotional harmony."

I see Lega as someone with a typing disadvantage that maybe alters his point of view. I see you as a mentally stronger but ego inferior person to him... exploiting his weakness. So I figure... if you're going to prey on him.. I'm going to prey on you.

As much as I smack people around.. I lack emotional involvement and those who understand me know this. They know my anger is short lived. But when you say hateful things.. you have emotional emphasis. Your words are more meaningful. It's a double standard in some ways but not really.

Good intentions. Hells wrath. Here I come!! LOL

Website: Whitewolf.maxforum.org

Re: Religion?

I see Lega as someone with a typing disadvantage that maybe alters his point of view.


If he didn't have said disadvantage then I'm sure he'd be able to defend himself with righteous vigor, and you'd all be left speechless. :D

So I figure... if you're going to prey on him.. I'm going to prey on you.


Who said you were evil? :)

Re: Religion?

would start a church or a religion for fun and profit because it would be all too easy to gather a large following, but meh, I don’t feel like it.


I like it! You could charge large fees to sign up, and threaten legal action against those who dislike it and you could call it... 'scientology'!

It is like a virus and part of the way it infects the mind of its host is by making it impervious to reason.


I'm Christian and this is not true. It's more like a zombie than a virus. :D

Re: Religion?

Toby
I like it! You could charge large fees to sign up, and threaten legal action against those who dislike it and you could call it... 'scientology'!


Nice.

I'm Christian and this is not true. It's more like a zombie than a virus. :D


I'm thinking of "I Am Legend" the movie now for some odd reason...

I have had my non-dual experience, so I could call myself Swami Salami, hang out a shingle, start a website and proclaim to be able to solve all of your problems. All you’d have to do is sign away all of your assets to me, your Enlightened, Elevated Guru-du-jour. Sounds like a winner to me.

Re: Religion?

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Re: Religion?

Waddup, G?

You, I must say, are very talented using Paint. :D

Re: Religion?

im is THINKING you dont ever READ bible?

if you DOES read bible im is THINKING you turn inligtened im DOES knows you are WEAK you FAITH is waving.
just because you did THINKS you KNOWS dosent make you KNOW eveything.
you DOES says i dont KNOWS when you SAY you knows you dont PROVES you knows.