Well, I kind of see what he means. If you're being used by someone, then you are useful. And if you are useful, then there is a reason for your existence... you're serving a purpose. (Any purpose should do, if you're looking for a reason to exist!)
But I see what you mean, too. If we exist, then we exist. If we need a reason to exist, the fact of our existence should be enough... I guess?
Okay, maybe I don't see. *rueful laugh*
I don't mind using other people to get what I want. As long as I'm nice about it, and make them feel liked and needed, does it matter that I'm using them? I don't know... aren't you using someone when you ask them to get you a glass of juice or something like that? Maybe there's something wrong with my definition of "use", but that doesn't seem so bad to me.
Hexi - can you define purpose?
Let me just tackle the comet here.
Maybe a comet's purpose is to give rise to curiosity? Mankind has been fascinated with comets since the dawn of time. Not every man sees the comet in the sky and wonders what it is or how it got there or where it's going, but some man does. That comet has a purpose for him - to spark his curiosity. If he is curious, he is likely to seek further understanding of the thing he sees. If he studies science, space, etc. he is more enlightened than he was before.
Twenty years ago, I would have said nothing has any purpose at all only what we give it, and who the hell are we to think we can give meaning to anything. Today, I do not like that answer.
For Hexi: http://www.templeton.org/questions/purpose/pdfs/bq_universe.pdf
You may find this article interesting.
To serve another does not imply that you are being used by the one you serve.
I fold my husband's work clothes in a particular way and place that day's pile by his towel on a shelf in the bathroom (nearly) every day.
I am serving him, but he is not using me. He neither expects nor demands me to do this thing.
It is an easy game to play with people. Any human can do it. Any human with above average intelligence can do it well. Any highly intelligent person can do it phenomenally well. Big deal.
The real game is not to play with them.
I'm tired of dancing with you wolfie, it's pointless. What do i do all day? Kill time. Wether it's reading, wathing movies/documentaries etc or chatting with people over the net. Things that stimulate the mind. Sorry, "hanging" out with people, spending time with idle chatter is not my idea of fun but more aking to a waste of time. Also, you should up your game if your intention is to taunt me. It's quite obvious.
As long as you talk with people, your fine. :) (Internet counts) :D
I never foresaw a time when you two would taunt/mock eachother, it's not like I thought it'd be.
Ok, let me rephrase that.
Talking to folk on the internet is better than talking to no one, being socially isolated.
Talking to someone on the internet is different from gaming etc.
What's the difference between talking on the internet and talking IRL?
I suppose you can see their faces, and you can get out and stuff.
But that's about it.
I'm not isolated from friends and family. I talk with friends almost daily, real friends, people that i've known since childhood. I just don't go out phyically to meet them. You are comparing your own life to mine, thinking i'm like you used to be, i'm not. Stop projecting your own miserable failures on to me. Also, i don't even own a tv :P I used to be the "alpha male" of my circle of friends but i just got tired of the charade. Your perception of me is actually helpful, albeit wrong in a fundamental level. You keep saying i avoid people, i don't.
Also Toby, what did you expect it to be?
What did I expect it to be?
I thought you would be alot more argumentative, and I though he would easily be able to bait you and drag you in.
The timer to delete/edit posts is too fast. Ignore what i said wolfie, i have no interest to continue this pointless exchange. It wont really accomplish anything apart from derailing the thread.
I applaud you.
I'm nothing of the sort. What a funny thing to say.
Is that the persona I'm emiting? To imply I was narcsistic would mean... I care what you think. I assure you... my thoughts of you come and go the moment I'm done with this message.
Really I just see you as a lesser person who wastes his life at home all day. I feel sorry for you in my own way. Potential wasted. And unlike them you do have potential.
I've met other psychopaths. Both highly functional like myself and those clams like you. I never said anything about alpha males in social circles either. I'm sorry if my natural alphamale status somehow presented itself to you in a manner you felt threatened by. Some psychopaths feed off eachothers energy, sharpen our skills by sharing our knowledge and become more efficient people. Plus it's always nice to have someone around who knows how you feel. A person that plays all your same games with people. Someone to have contests with. Life is a game. Who says only one person can win?
I wish I could really care about people. I'd enjoy life that much more... I suppose.
Calling me a narc... thats just dirty.
Implying (which by the way he did not do - he clearly stated) you are a narcissist doesn't have a thing to do with whether you care about anything or not.
I don't know you well enough to say you're a narcissist or not, but you're certainly quite ego-centric.
Playing with people is not a sign of superiority, intelligence, or skill. It's just childish. Nothing more; nothing less. It's just too easy.
I think most will agree, since Dr Robert asked people to dial down the psychopathy posts, this forum has got alot better. Infact, it was the best few days this forum has had since I got here, if everyone starts arguing again then it'll send us right back to the beggining. I know I've played my part in things but there really isn't much point arguing, as Dr Robert said, there are no winners.
I still stick by what I said, there is just no way without meeting someone face-to-face you can assess anything about them, besides how they type. Labeling him a 'narcissist' isn't really doing any good, but either is attempting to re-start arguments over, essentially, nothing.
Now let's watch as I get a bucket load of horrible comments, and people telling me where to do. :(
The fact that you need to tell me 3 times that you're not a narcissist tells me quite enough. Not only are you delusional but also in denial. Quite interesting.
A person who wants to spend their time learning new (to oneself) ideas and facts is a lesser person? Just because it doesn't interest you does not mean the pursuit of knowledge is worthless. You don't care what really happened with the crusades, and why so you waste your potential by playing with toys. To me, playing with people is pointless. There is very few new experiences to be had. I wish i knew some skitzos or bipolars, that would be entertaining.
Please note that i'm not defending my position, i'm trying to explain why i prefer to learn new things. I also quite enjoy this, on some level, but i do not want to shift focus into it so let's just drop it. I declare you the victorius party. I'm beneath you, there, we can stop.
Others reading these, start participating in the original discussion. Just sniping comments like "lol" (figuratively speaking) doesn't help and only makes those of us that want to discuss things drift offtopic because there is only so many times you can state your opinion.
Alright, someone else pick a topic. I can't think of anything more to say here.
Schizos are entertaining, actually.
I don't really care what they think and all I've wanted was an explonation but you're very resistant. Always trying to figure things out by the way someone types. What's wrong with you?! You think this is who I am? This is a game. I'm playing a character.
Remember how you claimed to be coming here and replying in different personality types? Something to that effect. Is this the one you're going to stick with? I was going to pull that "bad guy turned good" act. Thats my favorite.
You put too much thought into things. But it's my fault. I hope you can understand.
But yeah... I've had the most interesting conversations with SZ people. Some of them are down to Earth and give a really good conspiracy theory. But they shout and fight with themselves all the time... the ones I observe.
And now you sound like a bipolar, great. Why can't i play with you? What does it matter what personality i stick with? I'm not even sure myself at times, untill i think about it. Maybe being a psychopath is one of my personalities that i play as, oooh what an enticing though. Oh. and i don't care if you're playing or not, i'm still going to analyze you and everyone else.
I like skitzos because the way they break... it's glorious. It's like putting a puzzle together, pouring gas on it and then setting it on fire.
I know a great new topic. What is your favourite type of people to break?
I keep posting replies because no one else has anything to say and i'm bored. (can't sleep again, bloody insomnia!) The view counter keeps going up so i know people are reading! Participate (not in this pointless exchange though)!
Yeah... I think they're waiting for an epic finale but really.. you told me what I wanted to hear so..
I want to know why they always think the government is out to get them. Or the hearing voices and arguing with themself. Now that one throws me. "just try to imagine he's talking to someone on xbox live". LOL
Schizophrenia is not the same thing as multiple personality disorder.
I've known two schizophrenics, neither of whom ever talked or argued with themselves.
They are entertaining because something about that disease disrupts their their logic, and they are incredibly unpredictable as a result. That is also what makes them not so entertaining at times.
They're thinking Schizophrenia is Dissociative Identity Disorder, which is a common misconception.
They're two different mental disorders.
"Entertaining"? Explain what you mean by that. Or do just merely mean that they entertain you?
I mean they entertain me.
Sorry, Whitewolf then.
No, I'm pretty sure George is SZ. He used to work for the CIA. Now he's crazy. He's convinced people are watching him. Always shouting... seemingly to himself, about people walking by his apartment harrassing him.
One time he walked in the laundry room shouting that crap. I was outside watching and laughing when I saw this other man walk out of the laundry room while George was still shouting. The poor guy has a low IQ be seemed a little scared but moreconfused. LOL
He also enjoys shouting at cars that drive by him.
The other guy, by my friends place, sits in his apartment and yells at someone who isn't there. They're both old. As in their 50s+
I also know this guy named Docsharp. He's a lot of fun but his mind is fading. Seeing things then they disapear.. only to see them again later. :-(
Docsharp from MyTherapy you mean?
LOL That was all hilarious! :)
This is a post to the original thread topic.
People are different. On the one end, you have the super outgoing ones who will feel utterly like crap when left alone. On the other end, you have those who are utterly drained by social interaction. The rest are in between these two personality poles.
So whatever you feel comfortable with is the right amount of social interaction.
For me personally, I was confused about who I was. Introverted, extroverted? somewhere in between? I tried being very extroverted, spending time with people as much as possible; going to a lot of parties etc. I had created an extroverted identity for myself. Unfortunately (or fortunately) I became very tired and just never felt optimal. I realized this was just not me.
On the other hand i also spent a year being a night watch at a hotel. This was probably the most depressive time in my life. All social life goes out of the window. Obviously this was also not me. Through these and other experiences I've come to know the REAL me. I am somewhere in between really introverted and extroverted.
So the question is not wether you should set yourself a standard for how much you should socialize, but rather to respect and cover YOUR personal social needs.
I was at my friends place, to start off, then we headed to the local pub to see friends, then we hitted the clubs and i realised that i'm very disconnected from people, on a basic level. I saw what drove them, where the actions were headed and the intent of it but it was truly like looking out from a glass box, terrifying yet so interesting. I instigated a fight between my step-brother and some annoying asshat and it was fascinating! Mind you, it's fun to watch my step-brother go. He isn't very tall (bit taller than i am) so people always like "Piss off shrimp before i hurt you" but he's been doing MMA for 10 years and he just destroyed this dude twice his size, it was hilarious.
So umm... yeah, this is my imput into human interaction and a realisation that i need to do it more, not to play with people but just watch the hilarity that ensues from a slight nudge.
Well the consequences don't affect me so i don't really care to be honest. The key is to be subtle enough that they never reach you. It also brings an added difficulty to it.
I'll use last night as an example. Going to the dude, picking a fight when i know a martial artist is with me would have been obvious. Telling my step-bro that the dude there was saying crap about and how he would kick your ass is also quite obvious. Going to order a drink from the bar next to the guy with my bro so he would hear him talking crap is what i did. Ofcourse i talked to the guy earlier to make sure he would say those things.
Ahh wolfie, you're not stupid enough to seriously make those assumptions. Why are you trying to bait me anyways? Yes, i'm a guy by the way.
EDIT: I think you would pronounce my name as yah-ne or something. The way we pronounce words is very different so don't strain your mind or anything :P
Actually, i'm bored so i'll pick apart your post.
I find people fascinating initially when I meet them, but I have no desire to know them once I can predict their behavior accurately. Since I only enjoy them when they amuse me it seems wrong to waste their time and energy developing what they think is a relationship with me.
I have human contact daily. I'm married. I have a husband and children. I have a healthy sex life. I have a very real relationship with my husband built on trust. I trust him implicitly. I guess I just don't see the point in having a relationship that will pale in comparison with anyone else. That one is enough for me.
Video games. Heh. Funny thing ... I've conquered a few virtual realms. I never thought of it as a social thing, though. I certainly interacted with hundreds of people, but it was never a social event to me.
I know part of it is that I don't trust myself. People tend to do what I want them to do. I can't stand not knowing whether they did something because they wanted to do it or because I caused them to do it. One of my rules for me (not that I have a list anywhere or anything) is not to influence people without being asked to do so.
I don't get my way as much as I accept the way things happen. If I don't like the way some thing happens, I either avoid that thing or I change some thing to make it happen a way I like (change me, the thing, another person, whatever). But, when I say "I don't like," it is a thing that is of monumental importance or a thing that adversely impacts my life or my family's lives. Any lesser thing, I would not like or dislike. I would watch it play it out. If I consciously desire something to happen, it will happen, but I rarely desire a thing to be. I'm not entirely sure I actually have a way to get.
Now i'm curious. Analyze me, please. You seem like you might actually get something right. I'll be honest in my response. (sorry for "borrowing" this thread, i don't want to make a new one just to ask something like this).
Face to face, I would nail you in a few minutes, but in text it's difficult for obvious reasons. Some people write honestly, as in as they think.
You strike me as intelligent, mature for your age when you want to be, and angry. I think you see your self as other rather than alter and it ****** you off.
Hmmm, i don't consider myself as angry. The apparent hostility in my posts is most likely due to not considering how what i say comes across, i'm like that in the real world too. I really need to work on that. Maturity came out of nescessity, i wasn't really allowed to be a child and i don't really know where you got the last part from. Maybe i need to add more smileys and stuff to express my mood? :) Anyways, thanks for the observations. Gave me something to think about.
What do I know, eh?
Conjecturing based on my own life - I grew up fast, too. I wasn't aware that I was angry about that until I was much older than you are now. Maybe I'm reading that in based on my experiences filter, or maybe it's just coming through from you. It's harder to gauge you in a purely textual environment than it is some others. It's probably harder to size you up in person than some others, too ,for that matter.
Due to the peculiar nature of my biological father, I learned, like most children with that sort of parent, to read people very well. It's not a parlor trick or psychic ability or whatever - just a survival skill.
Have you ever come across some one that was able to equally size you up? If so, what was your reaction to them? Do you avoid them?
I appreciate your honesty. You have certainly given me food for thought. I loved the happiness is clarity answer. Maybe all of us have no clue who we really are. All of it is discovery.
Is it because your husband can see "you" and can accept you for the way that you are inside and out, and his exeptance no matter what is'nt that love in its purest form? Unconditional.
Your brothers best friend is he psychologically similar too?
You are quite right except that i do aknowledge the good in things, but i just don't appreciate it perhaps in the same way you do. As to your question, yes.
Somehow I don't want to believe that is true. That would make you an empty shell. None of you come across that way to me.
An old soul, I have been told that myself a time or two. Meaning inner wisdom I think.
Even confetti in the beginning began as a whole. Maybe if Hexi is right and this is like a multiple personality disorder maybe this confetti is just a slice of each of these personalities. I'd like to think so.
Sorry for the delay in replies. I do chores in between replies. I'm a bit of a neat freak. I'm a stay at home and everyday there seems to be more and more to do.
Can't stand clutter either. Sadly everyone around me seems to like it. Grrr
Isn't this the place you have all been able to be yourselves. I don't see anything, but honesty.