Great answer, I really appreciate it. I do have morals, not the same as yours, but morals none the less. My happiness is the most important thing to me, but that's just it, although I dont feel bad, and don't care, I still dont feel 100% happy. I am good to others for myself, selfish yeah?
I get it, you don't feel 'bad' but you don't feel completely 'happy'? That's good.
Are you anything like that Hexi or Whitewolf?
No, Not selfish, not in the least. People say every good deed is somewhat selfish because you get your 'reward' by seeing the look of happiness on their face and you feel good. Most people think like that. I don't. No, Not every act is self-serving, self-centered or selfish, it's the making others happy that makes me feel great. But not 100%, I often do things I don't feel good about because I want to help.
I will have money, going out to buy something I've wanted for a very long time but then hear one of my friends is in need of some cash, so I will loan it to them. I don't feel happy about it, And probably never will, but I still feel an urge deep inside me to do the thing thats best. I can wait another few months for some more cash, they can't. It cannot be my conscience because when I follow my morals/values I feel good, I didn't feel good when I gave away my last bit of cash, so it must be something, somewhere, deep in my sub-conscious telling me to do what's right, besides my conscience.
I don't expect many people to understand the above, even I don't really. :D LOL
Any others want to give a go answering his question? Otherwise it's just me....
Well for me its in consequences. It's being able to read what could transpire. How a certain action could make another feel.
It's being able to step in someones shoes and relate to how a situation makes them feel. When I have hurt someones feelings I can read there face and feel there pain.
An example. If I were to cheat on my spouse. I know that this is one thing that would cause him pain. I feel that pain ahead of time. And because I don't want them to feel this pain I would never cheat.
Bravo, that's a great definition, I wish I had of said something like that now... :)
Sorry for my late response, I didn't notice it there.
Although Psychopaths can't feel emotional empathy, they can still set themselves morals, for example Whitewolf wouldn't ever hit a woman or child, but he has no conscience to enforce those morals. So I generally define a conscience as an enforcer of a persons morals and ethical guidelines.
I could be wrong, of course.
Really you thought so? Thanks. I must say the more I read your responses the more impressed I am.
Have you ever met someone like Whitewolf on a personal basis? I believe I have. I think that's why this interests me so much. Also what causes the attraction. What is it that get's people so hooked? How?
Thanks, the same right back at you. :)
Hey I edited my last reply. Added more. I would like your input on that if you could.
I see that fear would be a part of it. Like when you watch your first horror flick and then you can't wait for the sequel. That shock reaction?
I think you are right? But what happens when you become immune to the the shock? What happens then? I know after time, I have become desensitized to shock, for instance in horror films. Seen blood and guts enough after awhile ya start looking at how did they do that? Ya know what I mean?
Thanks for responding Hexi.
Karma - As a child, when I watched the news on TV, I used to be so upset whenever I heard of any natural disaster, etc. but over time after being constantly bombarded with stories of death and destruction, that kind of thing hardly affects me at all anymore. I still care and can get emotional, but it's not the same huge reaction it used to be.
Well actually, it was one of my random posts of the day, Toby. I was referring to the fact that allthough you have positive emotions, you don't want the negative ones and at times, just want to not care.
I think it has something to do with how "alien" we really are. Like you said, you can't understand how can i be so uncaring, and likewise, i can't understand why people get emotional. There is a thick glass between us and the unknown is always alluring.
Maybe it's our social behaviour that people find... fascinating. I'm not contrained by social norms, i don't feel ashamed and i don't "choke" in social situations. Like when meeting new people, i can start to talk about anything, even things that others find embarrassing. Like my question about your preferred pornography, Toby. I can pop out questions like that to near strangers, out of the blue.
Perhaps it's the ease that people like me adapt to a situation and lack fear, always in control. I don't actually know what it is that draws people to me, but i know it's there, an underlying charisma. I mean, i'm really short, not athletic and not really "good looking" either but i've always been popular with the girls and guys want to, in many cases, elevate me to the "alpha male" even though i have no interest in such roles at all, i find such social classes laughable as they mean nothing to me.
Edited for some atrocious spelling.
At times I wish negative emotions didn't exist, but it's the good emotions along with the bad ones, that make you who you are. Same with experiences it's the good & bad ones that have brought me to where I am today, somewhere I am proud to be.
There will always be a bit of a gap between us, but all we can do in that respect is make sure we're all as educated on the subject as we possibly can be, and try to get along. :D
I believe you have answered about two years of my pondering in one post.
There are fewer psychopaths, thus your following. A part of me admires and envy's the no fear. I embarrass easily. So I tend to avoid situations that would cause me embarrassment.
So are we equally as interesting to you? Because we are emotional. Or do you find that annoying?
Well I find sheep annoying too. I have a low tolerance for people that try as they may keep up with "Jones" so to speak. I like people that dance to beat of there own drummer. I find beauty in people that dare to be different.
Sadly there are entirely way to many sheep. I should add that, this in my opinion, has led to the demise of our economy.
Well that is the exact same reason why I am so fascinated with Psychopathy. I am almost the exact opposite to this. I couldn't wrap my head around it either. I had known someone that brought me to looking up information on the net. Which brought me to Whitewolf. His writings have helped me clearly see how he thinks. Although I don't want to stereotype him either. He is his own person. I respect that. When I read Psychopath I nearly choked. It was like word for word what this person was like. What confused me was that this person will never kill anyone, has never killed anyone. Will probably live a productive life. Honestly people need to be aware of that. If I tell someone, I think such and such may be a psychopath, there eyes glaze over and they look at me as though I've lost my head. They are thinking Ted Bundy.
I have learned emotions can cause as much harm as a psychopath can. I have certainly learned to control my emotions. Well sorta depends on who ya talk too. lol.
That's what needs to change. When I thought of the word 'psychopath' I immediately thought of Serial killer, Jeffrey Dahmer, Ted Bundy, etc.
There are plenty of serial killers and murderers that are empaths and can experience empathy, and there are also plenty of psychopaths who will never kill anyone, never pyscically harm anyone, and have their own morals that they live by.
Noone deserves to have their life taken from them, regardless of their past, or the acts they've commited.
That's just my opinion though...
So no, I woudldn't call you inhumane for holding that sort of opinion, I would call you free.
Have you ever stopped to think that a prison sentence is a worse sentence than death?
There is a chance you could get out, but that rarely ever happens, and when it does they're caught.
They should put serial killers in solitary confinement for the rest of their lives. Now that would be worse than death.
We are just as logical as you.
It's just because you lack emotions, all you have is your logic, that's the only thing you have to fall back on. In reality, we are just as logical as you, if not more.
Imprisoned individuals don't have Mobile Phones or Computers just 1 Tv for the 5 of them to watch will all of 4 channels. OOOH! :-)
Some places on the web say Finnland has the death penalty, while others say you don't?
I'm sure you don't because European Law says:
1 Everyone has the right to life.
2 No one shall be condemned to the death penalty, or executed.
3 Everyone's right to life shall be protected by law.
Am I right?
Any Prison system that allow computers is obviously ****e.
My older Sisters boyfriend was arrested in 2003 for chasing down the man who killed my nephews cat, and trying to push his eyes back into his head, then stomping on his body.
What did he get? 3 Years in an open prison where prisoners can visit relatives with just an electronic tag, and if they attempt to run away or commit another offence they would we given a life sentence.
In other words alot of trust is given to a man who repeatedly beat my sister.
If you don't mind, read this http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/3286721.stm and tell me what you think about it. If you have the time, it's only 5 minutes.
Did it gross you out? or anything?
I would save my wife, love overcomes all else.
But, it's hard to say for sure, so many factors would contribute to my final decision.
Yes, I could consider the logical alternative, as I said, so many factors would contribute.
I would save my wife. I would kill myself to save what I love.
Yes, I do think saving my wife would be best, it would be a hard decision, but I would most likely choose my wife.
I would sacrifice myself for my wife, and maybe a rug if it was blue. :)
It's not because I don't know the other people, it's because I love my wife with all my heart and soul.
To explain love to you... I could say it feels like a the largest feeling of attachment and a strong sense of attachment.
I can sympathize with psychopaths easily, regardless of whether or not they can return the feelings.
Just think of yorur situation, don't you ever wish you weren't psychopathic?
The reason you cannot love is that you lack Oxytocin, it's a neurotransmitter responsible for trust, love, anziety, social recognition and pair bonding.
It's released during many activities including but not limited to sex, and hugs! :)
We actually experience a lovely feeling when we give someone we love a hug, It's a feeling of warmth deep inside you, the srongest feeling of a sense of attachment That I've ever felt, a feeling that's not like anything experienced besides it. And you can never go through that.
I'm not trying to rub it in, simply state how I feel.
We don't just do the right thing to avoid punishment, we do the right thing to acheive the good feelings.
We do the right thing because theres nothing more rewarding than knowing you've helped someone in need or that you've been truly altruistic.
The Queen doesn't take focous away from God.
I have attended church every sunday, almost without fail for 11 years, we're united under the Queen. She is not, and never will be an enemy of God.
She worships God herself, she blesses our soldiers.
I luuurve the way you believe in Hell...
Got a bible? Find the passage that explicitly mentions sinners dying and being sent to hell?
On the day of Armageddon the supporters of the Anti-Christ are sent to hell.
If you sinned for your entire life and refused to repent, when the day of judgement comes you wouldn't be sent into the Kingdom of God, you would simply be dead, 'Second Death' as the bible calls it.
Continue to hate me, go on, explicity disobey the commands of God. Fill yourself with hatred, I'll sit back and watch your soul burn.
You know? I did play World or Warfare Online, but my Xbox 360 got the red ring of death and I haven't bothered to buy a new one.
When I get another XBOX 360, and get some online credit, I'll let you know. :P I beat the game once. I just can't do it again. It's hard!
Catholics? They anger me. They talk of worshipping false idols yet they have their "saints" that they worship. Saints were just people.
You can't be serious. You are no better than a catholic. Thats why we beat you out of America. Cause you people.. are pretty much like I see Mormons. You have good intentions but you're just not right in the head.
I don't think I can sin. Not the way you see it.
Hate you? Why would you say that?
Swimming is fun.
You can sin. No-one is exempt of the ability to sin.
A true Christian wouldn't say the things you say about our country, or the things you say about our 'kind'.
I know I've said things too, but I try not to.
Why would I say that I think you hate me?
When talking of Empaths you said "And they wonder why we hate them." If you don't hate me you at least dislike me. I don't have time to hate people or even dislike them. I love everyone.
You can't get to me, stop trying to. It's wasting your precious (LOL!) time, if you want to do something dial it down a bit, If you're capable, which I think you are.
I suppose hate was the wrong word, but you don't exactly like me so, dislike.
It's like talking to a door! :)
Anyway Hexi, I am older than you - I have more wisdom. :D
This is where it gets confusing. - The bible mentions this while mentioning
"Apply your heart to instruction and your ears to words of knowledge. Do not withhold discipline from a child; if you punish him with the rod, he will not die. Punish him with the rod and save his soul from death."
And many more verses mentioning death if you're rejected and refuse to repent when your judged after death from this world.
It's called - The Second Death.
Another translation of said verse -
"You have to blind your right eye the moment you catch it in a lustful leer. You have to choose to live one-eyed or else be dumped on a moral trash pile. And you have to chop off your right hand the moment you notice it raised threateningly. Better a bloody stump than your entire being discarded for good in the dump."
This isn't from the Bible, btw.
There are many a metaphor in the Bible, I think by hell it doesn't mean our image of fire, demons, and the like.
But dump, would be a more accurate translation.
'Hell' in the bible is translated from 'Hades' which many people interpret as hell, when In fact it's the second death, the final death. :)
Where did I say that? I must try and find that.
I was 16 and I set myself the challenge to read the Bible in 2 days, but read it in 3.
At the age of 17 about 3 weeks after I had read the Bible I converted to Christianity.
If I wanted to lie, I would tell you something more interesting than in exactly how many days I read the Bible, or what age I was...
I would say something like... I won the lottery... :)
I have morality and I am not lying.
Morals are real, and I still have them when 'no one is watching'.
Plenty of people thought slavery was wrong, even when the majority of people didn't.
You create your own morals, and your conscience inforces them. What's terrible about that? Oh that's right, I am "not free" because I have a mechanism that enforces what I believe in, what I desegnate as 'right' or 'wrong'.
I know where most of my morals come from, The Bible.
So to me the phrase "charity is good" means exactly the same thing as phrases such as "God commands charity".
Go ahead, tell me I am brainwashed, that I have delegated the core part of how I live my life, but In the end, it's made me a better person, and only I know that.
It does, however, leave me with the Euthyphro dilemma - "Is an action morally good because God commands it, or does God command it because it is morally good?"
When did I find my faith?
I was bored. I decided to set myself the challenge of reading the entire Bible in two days, I did. And I admired it's teaching so much I decided to follow them; to convert to Christianity.
At age 16.
I know (Or At least I think I do) what you're going to say... "You must of had morals before then..."
I did, and I can only guess where they came from...
Whitewolf - Again, you're thinking in the mind of a Psychopath.
I don't know how it 'feels' but I can comprehend how your mind works. But you cannot do the same with us.
We have different opinions, they're both valuable. Done.
If I had to choose between killing the Queen Of England or killing two homeless people I would choose the Queen.
I respect her, and have great pride in her, but I don't give anymore value to here life than I do yours.
I said I would kill the 10,000 because my wife was dying, and my children's lives were in danger.
What does that tell you? I love my wife and kids more than I respect the Queen.
That's it though, I respect her, and I have pride in her, I don't worship her.
Ever picked up a bible and had a read?
Idolotry is defined as the worship of any image, idea or object as opposed to God.
How many times do it need say it? I DON'T WORSHIP THE QUEEN OF ENGLAND
Tell me, besides baseless arguments, why do you dislike our Queen?
You're doubling back on statements you've already made.
Toby, the mere fact that I could get you to commit genocide to save your own family... is sad, unwise and dangerous. A person of such mentality should never be given power over the lives of others.
It's just my proof that your kind are all ugly inside. You'd all feed on eachother given enough emotional disturbance. Really not that much at all. How can I trust such a creature? Such a conditional creature. You really can't. Well not fully.
Thats why no matter how dissapointed I am in people.. it's not the end of the world for me. Like it is for you. Oh my family is away and I am alone. Sympathy please..
Pride is ignorant. Monarchys are relics of the midevil world. What purpose does your monad by serve besides national pride/looking stupid to the rest of the world? Do you think we are impressed?! We've never been impressed.
Also it's funny to ask an American why they don't like anything at all about England. We live a.. different way than you. We aren't loyal fools. Thats what makes us... US.
Btw. LOL @ u getting angry. I don't care about your queen... but you do. Don't you pride boy.
You've obviously never experience true love if you wouldn't do anything to save the one you love with all your heart.
No matter what you do, no matter what you say, I refuse to drop to your level.
I am not going to argue with you, it's not enjoyable, and doesn't get anyone anywhere.
I don't think I've ever met an American who doesn't like Britain... And I've met alot of Americans...
I don't have anything bad to say about them, we secretly mock some of them when they leave the office, but that's not because they're American, it's because they're stupid.
It's funny how you talk for your entire nation.
Our 'kind' live in harmony, look at the lives of your average psychopath, alone, unloved, uncared for and then look at ours, or even mine.
I never would've dreamed of becoming what I am today, and of having two wonderful children with my equally wonderful wife. :)
Mock me, argue with me, whatever, you can't penetrate my British Charm... ;)
And you'll never take down my pride, try as you may.
Sympathy for you? No.
Empathic Concern*? Yes! (*You might need a dictionary)
Was it the first Rob Zombie Halloween or the Second one? Micheal Myers as a child is my sons best friends clone. No lie.. He sort of gave us the creeps for awhile. :)
I live in a state where they "use" the death penalty. The first time I knew that some one was going to be executed I couldn't sleep. They used to do them a minute after midnight. It honestly made me physically sick knowing this was going to happen. So many what if's?
Now if I were to personally witness a person doing these horrid things to an innocent person. I would have to agree they should be taken out. In some instances lethal injection is to easy for the pain they have inflicted. Lethal injection is morally correct supposedly and humane.
So I think I just contradicted myself in this post!! lol Hey man, I'm a women!! lol
Beheading, hanging, lethal injection, they can all go wrong. And they can all be used on innocent people - and they have been before, many times. For people who support the death penalty, that one fact should be what puts them off the idea. Innocent people losing their lives for the crimes they didn't commit.
Saudi Arabia - It still uses crucifixion. In the 21st century. Makes you sick doesn't it?
The Death Penalty is a barbaric act which has somehow managed to survive well into the 21st century.
I know how you must of felt, I made sure I was awake at 03:04 in the morning, much to the annoyance of my wife, so I could be up at the same time a British man with Bipolar Disorder was being beheaded in China because two men told him if he smuggled drugs into China, he would "save the world".
I am willing to bet my opinions would change if someone killed or tried to kill my wife, family or children.