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Scriptural proofs that the Bible teaches universal salvation

Scriptural proofs that the Bible teaches universal salvation. See –

http://www.tentmaker.org/books/ScripturalProofs.html

http://www.tentmaker.org/books/Bible-Proofs-modern.html

Also see four scriptural expositions supporting UR at
http://concordant.org/expohtml/HumanDestiny/doubts.html

http://concordant.org/expohtml/HumanDestiny/1cor15.html

http://www.godstruthfortoday.org/Library/knoch/ReplyToUniversalismRefuted/refuted1.htm
(copy and paste on address bar in two sections if necessary) and ----

http://concordant.org/expohtml/TheEons/index.html

Regarding the most common argument that the same word for "punishment" is also used for "life" see the following:
All three of these articles should be studied with care, especially the red one.

http://concordant.org/expohtml/TheEons/eon1.html
http://concordant.org/expohtml/TheEons/eon2.html
http://concordant.org/expohtml/TheEons/eon3.html

also see

http://concordant.org/expohtml/TheEons/aion.html
http://concordant.org/version/tranprin.html

what Jesus and the Bible teaches about "hell" is not what most people think

People who want to keep believing in the doctrine of "endless hell" will not read these three articles.

But people who don't want to believe that the Bible teaches "endless hell" will read all three of them and will be filled with great joy at finding out the truth!

(Copy and paste the following urls into your address bar.)

What Jesus really taught about "hell."

http://www.tentmaker.org/articles/jesusteachingonhell.html

What the Bible really teaches about "hell."

http://www.tentmaker.org/books/TheBibleHell.html

http://www.tentmaker.org/books/Aion_lim.html

Things "Eternal"

November 4, 2007

Ahhh, Rodger,

Now you give me something more to chew on! That's more like it my friend. Yes, let us discourse the word, "Eternal."

#166 Aionios- meaning eternal, belonging to the aion (165), time in its duration, that is constant, abiding, eternal. Used when referring to eternal life, that is - the life which is God's and hence not affected by the limitations of time. Aionios is specially predicated of the saving blessings of divine revelation, denoting, not belonging to what is transitory. Meaning (1) "having neither beginning nor end" (Rom 16:26; Heb 9:14) (2) Without end, meaning forever not only during the term of one's natural life but through endless ages of eternal life and blessings. (3) In Jude 1:7; Eternal fire refers to the miraculous fire from heaven which destroyed the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah. This is evidenced not only because of the effect thereof shall be of equal duration of the world but also because the burning of those cities is a dreadful emblem of that everlasting fire (Matt 25:41) which awaits the ungodly and unclean (cf. 2 Pet 2:6). (4) Chronoi, times, aionioi, eternal, means the ages of the world aka the times since the beginning of the world's existence (Rom 16:25; 2 Tim 1:9; Titus 1:2;cf. Eph 1:4; and 1 Pet 1:20).

Rodger, your statement, "We should desire to experience the lake of fire if God sees that is what we need. That's how much we can relax in the arms of God's love." is a lie from the pits of hell. What are you saying Rodger? Indeed, we shall go through a refiners fire for the purpose of sanctification but that is not the promised, Lake of Fire for all infedels and unbelievers. That Lake of fire is a place of great torment, pain and suffering which all those who are cast into it will wish death over such pain and anguish. Furthermore, that Lake of of Fire is reserved for the enemies of God - not His chosen children nor the Elect who are promised not to taste the second death.

The refiners fire is that which we all must undergo in our lives - the promised suffering we all experience to varrying degrees in our duty bound faithfulness to Christ and His selfless pattern. You know... "that which does not kill you makes you stronger" applies in this particular case. But eventually... we all experience the first death. Even during the forthcoming promised resurrection of the dead and living, those among us who are still living - our mortal bodies must die in order to receive a "body incorruptable."

During a part of the tribulation, an angel is dispatched to preach one more time to all humanity on earth, "the salvation of our God." This will be the "last call" as it were for the remainder of suffering humanity to repent and be saved. This will be prior to Armageddon and the first resurrection. There are no other chances given according to scripture except that which takes place at the end of the milennium after the Gog-Magog War when all those who did taste the second death shall be resurrected back to life and appear before the Throne of Judgment. Rodger, it is possible that some will be allowed into the Kingdom at that point because Jesus described in great detail the lambs and goats before His throne. But it will not be "ALL" as you claim because that would be accusing Jesus of being a liar! My Lord is NOT a LIAR my friend. You are going to have to get a firm grip on reality here Rodger! Not all are saved!

Keep in mind to whom you are dialoguing with. I am the author of "Apostasy Revealed." My testimonies and shared revealations prove beyond a reasonable doubt the source of apostasy. In case you have not read it and tested it line by line with the litmus test of scriptures... this Godfearing disciple was used to expose that the promised apostasy was rooted in mainstream Christianity much like the rebellion that was exposed by Christ within Judaism. A pattern repeats itself for the gentiles after that which was first seen with early Israel. The unbelieving heart which God put in the Jews then is unchanged and still the same with them today. But a time draws near when a remnant will be given new hearts and they will finally see and believe "God is the same yesterday today and yes forever!" Your errant, mainstream beliefs are leading you straight into a fire that you should not be desiring my friend!

End Part I Things "Eternal"

Things "Eternal" Part II

Things Eternal Pt II

Rodger, my friend,

I continue to point out to you your grave error and mis-aligned thinking. I do not do this with mere human words or wisdom but continue to refute your claims via sound doctrine established long ago by the Word of God. I am warning you Rodger that this is NO religious exercise on my part. This is about strongly reproving your error in an attempt to get you away from being a part of the problem today. You should rather repent of this venture you're on and humbly confess your wrong doing. At present, you are not part of the solution being ordained and anointed by God but are part of the multitude of deceived masses. You should be careful what you wish for or desire because you're likely to receive it. If you continue on this same course Rodger, then I have no doubt but to believe you will inherit the second death... the Lake of Fire... and when you do... you will wish that you had payed more attention to my Godfearing pleas for your life. But, like you say, the stronger influences you are surrounded with, the more likely you are to fall victim to them. I for one would rather see you utterly surrender to the living GOD and trust NO ONE other than His living, eternal and forever abiding WORD. Only then can you be sure you are on the right path. It is "man" that has led you astray and again, you have confused earlier feelings of conviction with guilt. You need to get off this heresy and beg forgiveness because you are influencing far too many children whom God is calling.

You should be "working out your salvation with fear and trembling" just as the scriptures admonish. Stick to the righteous judgments of God and the scriptures alone and be more critical in your thinking but allowing for the Word of GOD to thourghly test and purge your understanding and not some other man's human reasoning.

I pray for your soul Rodger - Repent before it's too late for you to do so!

With all sincerity and love for the truth and our scattered brethren abroad,


Nicholas A. Stivers, a humbled God fearing man, disciple, scribe and messenger.

A Broken "Record"

November 4, 2007

Rodger,

You are becoming like a broken record. You place far too much value on human wisdom and interpretation rather than direct translation from original language to English.

Furthermore... what you are presenting here in the whole of your argument smacks against what scripture refers to as "friendship with the world." In all your stated beliefs and analysis, you never discuss God's righteous hatreds which were carried over from the Old Testament to the New. These hatreds are absolutely critical for our acceptance if our love for God has any chance of becoming complete. In more simple words, you should not be found loving what God hates. That makes you His enemy my friend.

When I address your view and statements, you somehow avoid addressing me accordingly like some "broken record" that knows nothing more than what is etched on the vinyl. After my repeated requests to to you to stop using my ministry forum as a platform for marketing this heresy called "Universal Salvation," You continue to do so in prolific form making it look like I am in agreement with your stated position. You've taken up so much space Rodger that you are hogging the board with your personal view rather than sound biblical argument. This is selfish on your part and will no longer be tolerated!

Now, you go out of your way in this recent barrage of repeated posts providing various URL's to say that any web master found removing your posts just validates that I (we) are attempting to keep the flocks (my participants and surfers) from the truth.

You are so very close to being banned my friend... You don't even know. Only Satan would say such garbage. Only Satan would disguise his arguments as you have in an attempt to avoid the righteous judgment of God's WORD. This is your last warning Rodger.

Immediately cease and desist your prolific marketing attempts of this heresy or I will see to it that you no longer have official access. If you comply with my request (as you should and are obligated to do so) then I will keep your current posts alive and well, especially those that present my Godfearing counter arguments. If however, you cannot behave properly according to my request, then you will leave me no choice but to ban you for good and furthermore, publish an additional article or Scroll outlining in great detail the contrasts between what you preach vs. what scripture teaches as well as make it clear your inability to behave properly conducting yourself in a Godly fashion towards all my ministry group.

DO YOU UNDERSTAND ME MR. TUTT?

Sincerely, Nicholas

"ETERNAL"

http://www.tentmaker.org/books/Aion_lim.html

http://www.tentmaker.org/articles/savior-of-the-world/eternity.htm

http://www.tentmaker.org/articles/EternityExplained.html